Building A Gaming PC - Parts Advice Needed Page 157

  • Malek86 14 Apr 2020 19:43:43 10,514 posts
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    My new Ryzen 3600 should be arriving tomorrow, can't wait to see if the VMRs even cope. People told me it should be okay if I'm not going to overclock, but just in case, I have an extra 12cm fan in the case, and I'm going to replace the crappy Wraith Stealth included in the box with my Wraith Spire that I got with the 1500X.
  • uiruki 14 Apr 2020 20:02:14 5,355 posts
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    You'll be fine unless you're running a PC CHIPS board or something.
  • Malek86 14 Apr 2020 20:21:57 10,514 posts
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    @uiruki I'm running an A320, so it's pretty close.
  • Mr_Sleep 14 Apr 2020 20:31:14 23,490 posts
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    uiruki wrote:
    In order:

    1) It should work just fine. It might need to reactivate but I didn't have any bother going from a 7700K to a 3900X. My licence was an upgrade from a cheap Windows 8 licence. The Activation settings menu in Windows 10 tells you if it's digitally activated and how to make sure it's all synced up with your MS account which I think will be the main thing. As long as you sign in you should be fine. Worst case scenario it'll be like when I put in the 7700K and I had to do a live chat with MS.

    2) I think the Ryzen 5 gains hyperthreading which can be a decent amount of 'free' performance. If you're going to do tasks which can be threaded (which most stuff is nowadays) I think you'll find it worthwhile.

    Checking PC Part Picker the non-AF 1600 is 95 quid at CCL (who have always been good for me), and you can get the 2600 for 115 at Aria (who have been a bit shaky). Cheapest Ryzen 3 is a quad core for a shade under 70 so for 25 quid you get two more cores and three times the threads, which you'll notice when it's time to render. They all come with coolers.

    I'd probably go with the 1600 in the absence of the AF as a few hundred megahertz isn't worth 20 quid when you won't be hitting it most of the time and you're already speeding ahead of your i3.

    3) It's always the worst time and the best time to do an upgrade. Sounds like you've convinced yourself you need it so no point waiting. Enjoy researching motherboards!
    Thank you. I have used CCL for years and they have always been reliable and helpful so I will probably use them again.

    Hah, isn't it just 😀 Indeed, I have convinced myself. It has been due an upgrade for a long time but I haven't been using it much so I haven't been bothered but now I am using it so much its failings are becoming clear. Plus, I have a project I want to work on which I cannot with the current PC.

    I have to do the mobo, memory, chip and new SSD hard drive but everything else should be fine. Motherboard research is horrid as there are so many options and I am so out of the loop but that is always part of the thing.

    Thanks again.

    Edited by Mr_Sleep at 20:40:28 14-04-2020
  • uiruki 14 Apr 2020 21:38:16 5,355 posts
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    If you're saying it's a long time then would I be right in thinking it's a dual core i3? In that case you're looking at likely trebling your processing speed at render time, probably more if your tools are well-threaded (and a lot of 'work' stuff is at this point).

    On the motherboard front, look for the features you want, particularly network, hard drives and USB, and keep to that as you won't be overclocking or anything. A320 is the 'basic' chipset for AMD that's widely available but at that point they do have limited connectivity, especially on high speed USB. If you think you'll potentially want to update in the next few years, a decent B450 motherboard like the MSI Tomahawk can run the 16 core 3950X and will likely be happy enough with the next generation of AMD CPUs this year, as long as they update the BIOS. Probably overkill for your workload though!

    Edited by uiruki at 21:40:56 14-04-2020
  • Malek86 15 Apr 2020 22:43:57 10,514 posts
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    Got my Ryzen 3600 and it seems to be working fine.

    No more drops under 60fps in Destiny 2, and CPU usage now stays below 50% all the time. I'm impressed. My previous 1500X was constantly at 60-70% usage and clearly bottlenecking the GPU. For a game that early benchmarks said would run great even on laptops, it sure requires quite a bit of CPU grunts when you leave the closed instances and get into public areas.
  • Mr_Sleep 17 Apr 2020 15:08:30 23,490 posts
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    @uiruki I was indeed running a dual core i3. I looked up how long ago I bought and installed it and it was almost eight years!

    I ended up going with your recommendations and I plumped for a Gigabyte B450 Aurus Elite as I have always found gigabyte reliable and the reviews I read seemed pretty reasonable. Eight years and still working is a pretty good example of reliability :)

    I am not going to be overclocking and I am not likely to fart around much with the settings so it seems pretty good.

    The most surprising thing was how it all went together so smoothly, every time I put a PC together in the past there would be some stupid thing that required farting around but this worked immediately.

    I used a Windows 10 disk that my partner used for her computer recently and used my code and the whole thing worked perfectly. The only stumbling block was getting my ancient Mbox 2 to function in windows but that only took me half an hour or so to sort out.

    All this is to say, thank you for your advice, it has all worked and everything is running smoothly. The audio stuff I was trying to do that was failing completely is now barely putting a dent in the CPU.

    Edited by Mr_Sleep at 15:24:05 17-04-2020
  • uiruki 17 Apr 2020 16:13:21 5,355 posts
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    Great - glad it's all working for you! Hopefully that'll last you another eight years.
  • MrWonderstuff 17 Apr 2020 16:45:50 3,326 posts
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    @Malek86 Out of interest what are your temps idle/under load?
  • b-rk 17 Apr 2020 16:51:53 1,420 posts
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    Malek86 wrote:
    Got my Ryzen 3600 and it seems to be working fine.

    No more drops under 60fps in Destiny 2, and CPU usage now stays below 50% all the time. I'm impressed. My previous 1500X was constantly at 60-70% usage and clearly bottlenecking the GPU. For a game that early benchmarks said would run great even on laptops, it sure requires quite a bit of CPU grunts when you leave the closed instances and get into public areas.
    Yeah, my old overclocked 2600K struggled on publics, which was disappointing after Mr. Leadbetter claimed it had magical optimisation. The 3600 chews it up, though. Very nice CPU.
  • Malek86 17 Apr 2020 17:13:49 10,514 posts
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    @MrWonderstuff I tried running the Asus Realbench for 15 minutes, and temperatures didn't seem to go above 65-66 degrees for both CPU and mobo. Not bad, but remember I have a Wraith Spire, which is more sizeable than the Stealth, and also replaced the thermal paste.
  • MrWonderstuff 17 Apr 2020 17:44:50 3,326 posts
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    @Malek86 Nice...mine seems to run hotter than I would expect with a Noctua u12s sitting on it. Think I may reapply the thermal paste. I know the AMD chips run hotter than one would expect.
  • b-rk 17 Apr 2020 19:07:13 1,420 posts
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    POST BENCHMARKS
  • MrWonderstuff 17 Apr 2020 19:51:55 3,326 posts
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    Well I ran it for 5 mins and it got to 87c.
  • Fake_Blood 17 Apr 2020 20:21:16 10,570 posts
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    Malek86 wrote:
    @uiruki I'm running an A320, so it's pretty close.
    Aah the Airbus, good choice. I just got the 737max, got a good deal on it.

    Edited by Fake_Blood at 20:21:31 17-04-2020
  • b-rk 17 Apr 2020 21:07:29 1,420 posts
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    MrWonderstuff wrote:
    Well I ran it for 5 mins and it got to 87c.
    O_O

    try other benchmarks. what does cinebench r20 get you. don't bother with avx shit.
  • MrWonderstuff 17 Apr 2020 23:33:10 3,326 posts
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    @b-rk 74-75c on Cinebench r20.
  • Malek86 18 Apr 2020 11:25:21 10,514 posts
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    Alright, some benchmarks for my Ryzen 3600.

    Cinebench R20

    Single: 477
    Multi: 3544
    MP: 7.43x

    Cinebench R15

    Single: 192
    Multi: 1558
    MP: 8.1x

    Geekbench 5

    Single: 1218
    Multi: 6785

    7-zip: 41653

    3DMark Night Raid

    CPU: 9478 (up from 6233 on the Ryzen 1500X)
    Total: 32077 (up from 24900)

    I see my scores are in line with what I find online, which is good because it means my relatively slow 2666mhz memories aren't holding it back as much as on my previous processor.
  • b-rk 18 Apr 2020 16:07:34 1,420 posts
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    check out my score fuckin WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YEAH!

    AW YEAH

    sorry
  • KD 18 Apr 2020 16:21:18 2,885 posts
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    2778pts with a R5 1600x
  • MrWonderstuff 18 Apr 2020 16:29:18 3,326 posts
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    I realised I had the Ryzen 'performance' plan active - have changed to 'balanced', idle temps (when it's not spiking the voltage) is 35c. So not used to how AMD do voltage.
  • b-rk 18 Apr 2020 16:32:08 1,420 posts
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    post ur idle voltage ^_^





    yes, i am bored
  • MrWonderstuff 19 Apr 2020 00:55:40 3,326 posts
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    @b-rk
  • captbirdseye 19 Apr 2020 07:40:03 9,869 posts
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    I'd suggest using a custom power plan for Ryzen as Windows is shit.

    https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/1usmus-custom-power-plan-for-ryzen-3000-download.html
  • Duffking 6 May 2020 22:11:47 16,630 posts
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    Just installed my Ryzen 7 3700X. First time I think I've ever had something that's not a mid-budget option. Excited.
  • Carlo 6 May 2020 22:16:40 21,377 posts
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    @Duffking Get benching!!!
  • Duffking 7 May 2020 00:04:03 16,630 posts
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    Just getting monster hunter installed for a test! Did try apex though and lol the dropship used to get me to 80 plus cpu usage and now is hits 30 max. Amazing.
  • THFourteen 7 May 2020 08:19:56 53,839 posts
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    Duffking wrote:
    Just getting monster hunter installed for a test! Did try apex though and lol the dropship used to get me to 80 plus cpu usage and now is hits 30 max. Amazing.
    But the FPS is the same? :-)
  • Duffking 7 May 2020 08:56:52 16,630 posts
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    Well it used to stutter and dip at random during matches which has ironed itself out bow. It hits the FPS cap more of the time too.

    Monster Hunter was around 80fps and using around 50 to 60%, before it used to dip under 60 quite often even with dynamic res on.
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