Building A Gaming PC - Parts Advice Needed Page 159

  • MrWonderstuff 22 May 2020 15:50:26 3,326 posts
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    @dominalien Can you adjust the fan curve? Ryzen constantly plays around with voltage even when idle - it's for a 'just in case' scenario. I've set my cooler (Noctua u12s) to sit at 40% rpm until 60c then it ramps up to 100% when hitting 75c. The spinning up and down is the fluctuating voltage increasing temps - but only for a moment (hence why you are getting the up and down fans). The less fan speed at whatever temp it is hitting the quieter.
  • Fake_Blood 22 May 2020 15:56:13 10,570 posts
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    Look itís not a RIG unless you have two apps for controlling the LEDs and one app on your phone.
  • dominalien 22 May 2020 15:58:54 9,808 posts
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    @MrWonderstuff Yeah, there are fan settings in the bios, I was just talking about the default experience. I'm sure I can get it to behave.

    I'm more worried by the warble, I was expecting a hum.
  • THFourteen 22 May 2020 16:20:32 53,839 posts
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    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-win-max-handheld-game-console-for-aaa-games/
  • One_Vurfed_Gwrx 22 May 2020 20:49:15 4,012 posts
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    THFourteen wrote:
    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-win-max-handheld-game-console-for-aaa-games/
    I have had my eye on these for a while. I both really want one and cannot afford one... Would be a great replacement for my aging Linx Vision...
  • Theshape80 23 May 2020 08:56:07 314 posts
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    Iím considering upgrading my pc. Currently Iíve a amd 1500x with a rx580 8gb. I like the new 3300x cpu but unsure how much of a upgrade it is over the 1500x. Paired with a 5700xt. Money is tight, so I can either get the 5700xt and 3300x, or wait and get a 3600x and a graphics card further down the line.
  • Sharz 23 May 2020 09:44:16 1,979 posts
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    Well i went from a Ryzen 1600 to a 3600 and it felt like a pretty decent upgrade. Not earth shattering but decent enough to warrant the upgrade for me, as all games had a small but noticieble improvment. Guess it depends what it means to you if money is tight.

    You might find these useful, and you might see a bigger boost because the 1500x might bottleneck the GPU more than a 1600/1700x would.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EnuFLfQczI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgEp1JbkrXk

    Edited by Sharz at 09:53:37 23-05-2020
  • MrFlay 26 May 2020 18:28:23 4,557 posts
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    I'm thinking of building a new PC. It's not really for gaming except for older stuff. I'm looking at Ryzen 3 3200g Apu and cheap matching mTX board with 16 gb ddr4 ram and a cheap 500gb SSD. I have a 500W modular Corsair GPU that's about 6 years old. Will it still work with a newer motherboard?

    Anything else wrong with this list?

    The PC will mainly be a Plex media server with occasional use for internet browsing and word processing etc.
  • Beetroot_Bertie 6 Jun 2020 22:20:08 515 posts
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    Hoping to get a little advice from the resident tech support regarding the PC that I got back a couple of months ago if I may?

    Since the motherboard and CPU got replaced, it's ran fine for a couple of months but I've recently had lots of crashes to black screens followed sometimes with failed POSTs on restarts (1 long beep followed by 3 short - no gpu according to the motherboard manual).

    I contacted the company that built it, who were quick to collect and send out out a replacement GPU but this turned out to be used and came complete with thin layer dust in the fan - it didn't make me very happy but they do reserve the right to do so in their T&Cs. I fitted the replacement GPU but the PC failed to POST again (same error), only this time there seemed to be no power going to it at all as the light strip on the side of the card wasn't lit up like it usually would be.

    I decided to take a look at the PSU connections wondering if perhaps reseating the PCIe cable might help but found that it was sticking out of the PSU maybe a couple of mm more than the other plugs. I tried to reseat it but it seemed stuck in. At that point I could see melted plastic on the plug in proximity to one of the pins and also noticed some heat damage on the cable where the plastic sleeve has bubbled.

    I'm wondering if this is likely to be a sign of a faulty PSU or perhaps a symptom of the plug not being properly installed at the time of them building the PC? Anyone have any ideas or experience with things like this?
  • LoneWolf80 6 Jun 2020 22:39:10 155 posts
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    Sounds likes a faulty PSU.
  • THFourteen 6 Jun 2020 22:47:32 53,839 posts
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    Christ stop using that psu if itís melted at one end.

    Is it branded?
  • Beetroot_Bertie 6 Jun 2020 22:54:19 515 posts
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    Yep. It's a Corsair RM750X :(

    The PCs going back to them soon I hope. I've kinda had enough and asked if I can return it for a refund. Hopefully they'll be decent about it.

    I was just hoping to understand the problem more really as it's been a frustrating experience.

    Edited by Beetroot_Bertie at 23:02:33 06-06-2020
  • b-rk 6 Jun 2020 23:00:25 1,420 posts
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    O_O i use that psu

    anyway good luck getting it sorted
  • THFourteen 6 Jun 2020 23:04:43 53,839 posts
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    Yeah a replacement PSU probably a good plan. Also once you have it, try booting without the graphics card in, assuming your motherboard and cpu support onboard graphics?
  • Beetroot_Bertie 6 Jun 2020 23:15:46 515 posts
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    I don't think the mobo/cpu has onboard graphics unfortunately, but thanks for the suggestion. I've tried it but not getting any output to the monitor.

    I'm going to RMA the whole thing as it's got to the point where I don't think the pc is of satisfactory quality or fit for purpose. Kinda put me off PCs too at this point but I know I'll probably want to dive back in at some point 😁.
  • muddyyfunster 6 Jun 2020 23:46:32 213 posts
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    @Beetroot_Bertie

    It sounds like your PSU may be one of those being recalled:
    https://youtu.be/zPzSuvB9yjw?t=572

    Edited by muddyyfunster at 00:21:54 07-06-2020
  • THFourteen 7 Jun 2020 05:22:53 53,839 posts
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    @Beetroot_Bertie did you buy it pre built? Sounds like you have the ability to build your own! Do that?
  • Dougs 7 Jun 2020 07:04:21 95,416 posts
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    Who did you buy it from, out of interest?
  • Frogofdoom 7 Jun 2020 09:00:03 16,878 posts
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    I would be seeking a refund at this point, they have had adequate opportunity to fix it as this point and should know about the hardware issue with the psu they have used. Failing that give them an opportunity to replace the pc with entirely new components (no refurbs) and a different brand of psu.

    I say this as someone who works (for how much longer, who knows) for a hardware vendor and it sucks for the company when things like this happen. The margins on PC's are pretty poor and they will have already lost any profit on the sale due to the replacement components etc but these things happen and they have to support you as a customer.
  • Blackmarsh63 7 Jun 2020 09:23:40 3,574 posts
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    @Beetroot_Bertie I'd agree with TH. Its so satisfying building your own. It's not as difficult as some imagine. There's loads of guides out there and plenty of know-it-all's on here to help you out :)
  • Beetroot_Bertie 7 Jun 2020 09:39:04 515 posts
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    Morning all. I went with a pre-built just because I've never built one myself before and thought going with a company (Cyberpower UK in this case) that specialises in this would reduce the chance of any problems with incompatibilities of parts etc.

    Maybe a DIY approach would be better with what I've learnt - I reckon I could probably build my own now but didn't fancy it at the time.

    I do appreciate it's not much fun for the retailer too. It can't be nice seeing any profit either disappear or reverse due to such issues with goods and the costs for couriers etc. Hopefully this will get resolved smoothly.

    Thanks for the help guys and I hope your job remains secure Frogofdoom (and anyone else who might be in a similarly uncertain position). I get the impression that PC builders have been pretty busy throughout all of this, so maybe there's some hope if you're in that line of work?

    Edited by Beetroot_Bertie at 11:24:37 07-06-2020
  • Frogofdoom 7 Jun 2020 13:00:42 16,878 posts
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    I focus on the server and business side rather than end users and it's totally dead at the moment. I can see how pc builders may have an upsurge with people stuck at home though.
  • challenge_hanukkah 7 Jun 2020 14:04:24 13,049 posts
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    Cool. I finally know who to avoid.

    Some of those Google reviews ain't exactly glowing. Will you be adding your tale of disgruntlement?
  • Beetroot_Bertie 7 Jun 2020 14:35:25 515 posts
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    I guess it's dependent on how things are handled herein but urgh, yeah some of those reviews aren't exactly singing praises. To be fair, their guy in tech support has been responsive and helpful via email and has sorted out any returns promptly enough. I'm hoping I just got unlucky with the hardware lottery in this case.

    The balance of good to bad isn't so bad on trustpilot, and it seems you get similarly unhappy folk with other suppliers too so...
  • KnuttinAtoll 12 Jun 2020 14:56:40 8,196 posts
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    I keep eyeing up this offer:

    https://www.coolblue.be/en/product/852228/acer-predator-orion-3000-600-i72060s.html#product-reviews

    Not looking for the best deal ever, but a good enough one with a fair amount of future proofing, I'd like VR to be a viable future option but not in the medium term.

    The GPU seems the best I can get at that price range - anything better will break my budget - CPU I have no idea.

    Edit - alternative, this one's cheaper but only i5 instead of i7:

    https://www.coolblue.be/en/product/852211/msi-infinite-9sc-845mys.html


    Any feedback much appreciated.

    Edited by KnuttinAtoll at 15:13:05 12-06-2020
  • grey_matters 12 Jun 2020 15:35:13 5,318 posts
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    Usually it's a good idea to max out the CPU if you can afford to and upgrade the GPU agter a fee years depending on budget.

    There might be an argument here to go with the i5 and get a VR headset now/soon if you are thinking that way. There's lots of good stuff now and the headset space is nice and varied to cater for budget (or will be soon once HP get their new one out).
  • KnuttinAtoll 12 Jun 2020 15:52:03 8,196 posts
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    @grey_matters Yeah I kept looking at the two of them and I'd rather spend a few hundred more and get a better chip.

    I think GPU wise though it seems like a toss up between the RTX2060 Super and the 1660Ti, based on the offers I have available, googling these it seems the 2060 is the better option.

    I haven't kept up to date with the hardware market/developments at all so I'm still applying the 'higher/latest model code = better' approach.

    2080 desktops are over 3 grand, so those are way out of my league (until as you say I upgrade later to one separately).

    Edited by KnuttinAtoll at 15:52:42 12-06-2020
  • brokenkey 12 Jun 2020 15:55:44 10,578 posts
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    @KnuttinAtoll Are you not into building your own?

    Couple of points about that one
    1) it doesnt' say which SSD unti it is - could be fast, could be slow
    2) it doesn't state the speed of the memory, so you could be hampering th whole thing with slow RAM.

    It looks expensive: my buid listed back on page 158 came in at around £1,500, has fast(er) bigger SSD, bigger HDD, speedy RAM.
  • grey_matters 12 Jun 2020 15:57:39 5,318 posts
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    2060 super should be great though, even for VR. I'm also not up with things but I believe they are very solid. Maybe at very high res and/or framerate (Valve's Index 120Hz option, maybe) it might struggle but I think even 1440p/60fps should be good.
  • KnuttinAtoll 12 Jun 2020 16:07:55 8,196 posts
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    @brokenkey not building my own, I want to take the lazy and convenient option of off-the-shelf, happy enough to pay a premium for this because I can pick this up tomorrow if I want, locally (and return in case of issues).

    Plus I'm self employed so I won't pay the full price if you catch my drift.

    Would those things really make a difference though? I'm used to playing on a laptop (i7 6700, GTX960m) so I'd likely not notice any minor drawbacks, and I guess those things aren't that pricey to replace further down the line? I could be wrong of course.

    Edit - another thought I just had, as this is a complete package, would it be fair to assume that they put in components that don't gimp the whole machine (SSD, RAM) or are these manufacturers known to cut corners in those areas?

    Edited by KnuttinAtoll at 16:10:28 12-06-2020
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