Building A Gaming PC - Parts Advice Needed Page 210

  • captbirdseye 18 Nov 2020 20:52:47 10,062 posts
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    You usually add at least 100 to msrp but things are so crazy at the moment that it's anyones guess.
  • sport 19 Nov 2020 10:33:28 16,478 posts
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    We did it lads!!!!
  • b-rk 19 Nov 2020 10:41:55 1,581 posts
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    It's quite scummy of AMD to drop the ref cards after their reveal event showing the $650 price tag.
  • captbirdseye 19 Nov 2020 10:50:01 10,062 posts
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    @sport free banana as well.
  • Tomo 20 Nov 2020 09:09:41 18,478 posts
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    sport wrote:
    We did it lads!!!!
    That is a lovely flooring
  • Tomo 20 Nov 2020 09:21:34 18,478 posts
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    So I'm doing two PC builds this weekend, one of which is a rebuild. I've only ever done fresh builds before.

    Q1) For the rebuild, I'm replacing the mobo and CPU. I guess I should backup and do a fresh Windows 10 install? Rather than attempting to plug my existing HDD into my new mobo and booting from there?

    Q2) However, my PC currently has 3 hard drives. C: is the Windows drive and D: and E: are basically just storage drives with my Steam folders etc. I can just plug D/E straight into the rebuild?

    Realise I don't understand how Windows and HDDs actually work in tandem...

    Q3) What's the method for installing Windows 10 these days? USB stick with a Windows loader thingy?
  • Sharz 20 Nov 2020 09:34:07 2,032 posts
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    Q1 - If you change the motherboard you should do a fresh install of Windows. It isn't technically required, but you will run into issues at some point with driver conflicts and the like. Save yourself a headache.

    Q2 - Yes they can go straight in, reinstall Steam and point it towards the libraries on D&E and your golden.

    Q3 - Yup exactly, Microsoft website media creation tool is your friend.
  • Tomo 20 Nov 2020 10:16:34 18,478 posts
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    Thx!
  • Sharz 20 Nov 2020 10:20:10 2,032 posts
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    @Tomo
    Just had a thought, if possible reformat/partition your C drive when you go to install windows. It is one of those little details that can save future problems. You can install over the top of existing installation (or multiple installations), and it will work if you must. But random little issues might pop up later, such as a Windows update breaks or the registry corrupts.

    Edited by Sharz at 10:25:47 20-11-2020
  • Malek86 20 Nov 2020 11:20:54 11,271 posts
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    Windows got a lot better at handling mobo drivers nowadays. I just upgraded my mobo, only had a couple issues while the old software suite was still around, but everything else went very smoothly. Uninstalled the old suite (turns out Asus EZ is almost malware in how deep it clings to your PC) and now it's good as new.

    Well, at least until my 3600 comes back. Sent it for RMA just yesterday, hopefully it won't take long.

    Edited by Malek86 at 11:23:03 20-11-2020
  • Fake_Blood 20 Nov 2020 11:39:12 10,693 posts
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    Ah new motherboards, the age old tradition of downloading 13 various zip and exe files. Intel management driver, no idea what it is, but I guess I need it?
  • dfunked09 20 Nov 2020 11:43:57 1,028 posts
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    Windows 10 is pretty good at getting drivers right out of the box these days. I pretty much only install Nvidia drivers to get the latest game ready one and let Windows update pick everything else up.

    I think Asus Aura sync is the only extra bit of software I've installed on this Z370 board.
  • Malek86 20 Nov 2020 11:46:46 11,271 posts
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    @Fake_Blood technically, Windows should get most of what you need by itself. You can upgrade from the vendor website if you want, and should probably do so at least for the chipset drivers, but Realtek audio and LAN should be just fine with the basic Windows drivers most likely.
  • Tomo 20 Nov 2020 13:53:31 18,478 posts
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    Fake_Blood wrote:
    Ah new motherboards, the age old tradition of downloading 13 various zip and exe files. Intel management driver, no idea what it is, but I guess I need it?
    Hahaha, god, too close to the bone.
  • Tomo 20 Nov 2020 14:01:46 18,478 posts
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    Sharz wrote:
    @Tomo
    Just had a thought, if possible reformat/partition your C drive when you go to install windows. It is one of those little details that can save future problems. You can install over the top of existing installation (or multiple installations), and it will work if you must. But random little issues might pop up later, such as a Windows update breaks or the registry corrupts.
    Thx - I'm planning on installing Windows on a fresh HDD. Can usually setup Windows in less than an hour to get to where I was previously. Just hope I don't fuck up various Docker and WSL related things I've got going recently...

    I've got my first NVMe drives this time around - are they generally considered as reliable as traditional SSD drives? Presumably putting the OS one is totally fine...
  • dfunked09 20 Nov 2020 14:16:58 1,028 posts
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    SSDs in general have a minute failure rate compared to HDDs... Never really looked into whether NVMe are more likely to fail than SATA. They do tend to get a lot hotter, but they're built with that in mind. Totally fine to put the OS on them. Every modern laptop with an SSD uses one these days.

    They're very mature tech now, the days of SandForce controllers are long gone thanlkfully!

    Edited by dfunked09 at 14:17:44 20-11-2020
  • Tomo 20 Nov 2020 14:26:13 18,478 posts
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    Yeah good. Just addressing some internal paranoia...
  • One_Vurfed_Gwrx 21 Nov 2020 13:15:47 4,121 posts
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    I am still debating a future cpu/mobo uograde to remove my 4790K bottleneck and while the choice of Intel vs AMD (likely 10600K or 5600X) is the major factor one other thing I will want is a new case as my current one (midtower that came with a second hand PC Specialist prebuild) has design issues where due to the HDD drive bays are located limits the length of any GPUs. At the time I couldnt even look at AMD GPUs as all were too long (2 years ago so 580/90 and Vega era) aand even with Nvidia I had to get a Ventus 2070 (221mm IIRC) which only just fits. (that is in a case with 2 mechanical HDDs and 1 Sata)

    Any tips on how to know how much of an issue this will be when looking at future cases? I just go simple with cases, no transparent nonsense but I dont mind if it looks a little nicer than a 90's box. Also preferring the lower end of the budget without too many compromises.

    GPU/CPUs are a lot easier to research... Even if I do wonder how AMD 5000 vs Intel 10th gen works out for high spec emulators...
  • KD 21 Nov 2020 13:21:10 3,084 posts
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    I have been juggling my steammlibrary folders and stuff to format all my hard drives that have lost space to failed windows store downloads, from now they are going on C only and thats my nvme for now.

    Edited by KD at 13:21:28 21-11-2020
  • KD 21 Nov 2020 13:24:44 3,084 posts
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    @One_Vurfed_Gwrx My case is here, cheap and reason I link it is in the spec it says what length gpu and all the other info. Also LED's can usually be unplugged.


    https://www.novatech.co.uk/products/avp-vision-led-white-mid-tower-case/cas-7741.html

    Edited by KD at 13:25:35 21-11-2020
  • Globbits 21 Nov 2020 13:30:15 186 posts
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    @One_Vurfed_Gwrx Fractal are normally very good at listing internal dimensions and clearance limits for each of their cases, but I imagine a lot of other manufacturers must do the same on their websites. If there's a case you like the look of, chances are the manual is available as a PDF on the manufacturer's website and any restrictions will be listed in there. Obviously you're going to have fewer issues putting a large card in an ATX case versus mATX or ITX
  • Malek86 21 Nov 2020 13:31:06 11,271 posts
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    AMD said they have just sent my replacement CPU.

    I wonder if there's any chance of accidentally receiving a superior model...
  • Tomo 21 Nov 2020 14:28:52 18,478 posts
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    Gahhhhhh.

    My Hyper 212 EVO doesn't appear to be compatible with AM4 sockets... It's too old and seemingly requires an AM4 upgrade kit and everything.

    I've even pasted the CPU and everything. Sigh. Would just nip to Currys and get a new cooler or something, but the whole lockdown thing... Ugh.
  • One_Vurfed_Gwrx 21 Nov 2020 14:51:34 4,121 posts
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    @Globbits and KD Thanks for the info, I hadn't actually seen graphics card length as a listed figure before. Will definitely make things easier for the future and mother board replacement time seems the prime time to change the case too.
  • Tomo 21 Nov 2020 19:29:25 18,478 posts
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    Team... My Dan A4 build has turned on..!!! It's soooooo cute and small. And the Noctua fans are SO quiet I wasn't sure if they were actually fucking working. Crazy.

    Cjskeys... it's asking for my address to buy a key. Is this avoidable? Can you just paypal instead?
  • captbirdseye 21 Nov 2020 19:47:03 10,062 posts
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    @Tomo I normally use Paypal witj CJSKeys
  • Tomo 21 Nov 2020 20:01:39 18,478 posts
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    If I try to checkout as guest, it asks for an address which is annoying.
  • Fake_Blood 21 Nov 2020 20:02:19 10,693 posts
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    @Tomo congrats on the tiny case, was it hard to build?
  • Tomo 21 Nov 2020 20:05:36 18,478 posts
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    What an insanely quick install Windows 10 is now too. Like less than 5 minutes.

    Edited by Tomo at 08:53:09 22-11-2020
  • Tomo 21 Nov 2020 22:08:57 18,478 posts
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    Fake_Blood wrote:
    @Tomo congrats on the tiny case, was it hard to build?
    Not particularly actually! I followed this video mainly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AENfa_nNvuI

    Albeit I used a number of different parts. Spec is:

    Dan A4
    MSI B150I Gaming Pro AC Wifi mobo
    i5 6600K
    Alpenfohn CPU Cooler (fan replaced with Noctua A9x14)
    16 GB 2333 MHz RAM
    MSI 2080 RTX
    1TB WD M2 NVme SSD
    600W Corsair SFX Gold
    2nd A9x14 as case fan

    It really is bloody lovely. It's unbelievably tiny and Noctua fans really are extremely silent. Think I'm going to upgrade my main PC with them. I'm giving this to my girlfriend to use for WFH.

    I got the mobo off ebay for 50 notes. The i5, RAM and GPU are from my old machine. Most of the other bits I got on the eBuyer eBay store with the recent 20% off code.

    The 2080 is overkill really. Especially as thermals need care in these things. But I think it should be fine. Need to monitor properly over the coming days.

    Things I noted doing my first SFF:
    - copying someone else is great, but SFF is fraught with unforeseen hurdles: e.g.: I can't use the front USB-C port because the motherboard isn't compatible and the converter chip I bought is a 90 degree angle, which means I can't plug in the cable because of the CPU heatsink.
    - I wish I'd bought the platinum version of the PSU because it has braided cables, whereas this has plastic cables and they are a pain to fold into tight spaces. Pay the extra for your own comfort.
    - Cable ties are essential
    - Noctua is king
    - I'm not building anything but SFF from now on. It's just so good. I can pick it up in one hand and just plug it into any TV or monitor. I've got a wireless M+KB and you're set to go. It's basically the ultimate console/PC hybrid.
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