Building A Gaming PC - Parts Advice Needed Page 211

  • Tomo 21 Nov 2020 22:09:37 18,478 posts
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    (I'm awaiting a new CPU cooler for my main PC tomorrow, otherwise I'm going to struggle with WFH on Monday -_-)
  • Tomo 21 Nov 2020 22:24:22 18,478 posts
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    Sigh... the Windows 10 key is "already used".
  • Rogueywon 21 Nov 2020 22:28:56 10,178 posts
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    @Tomo I had the same last time I used cjs-keys. Don't think they're all that reliable these days.
  • Tomo 21 Nov 2020 22:29:47 18,478 posts
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    Did you go through the process of getting one until it worked?

    I'm trying to use their express fault reporting system, and it keeps failing on the Submission button...
  • Rogueywon 21 Nov 2020 22:30:39 10,178 posts
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    Tomo wrote:
    Did you go through the process of getting one until it worked?

    I'm trying to use their express fault reporting system, and it keeps failing on the Submission button...
    I used another source in the end. And don't expect a reply on the fault report system.
  • Tomo 21 Nov 2020 22:34:19 18,478 posts
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    Greatttt. Where did you get one in the end?

    Thought I could get one via work, but it's not available any more which sucks.
  • Rogueywon 21 Nov 2020 22:36:25 10,178 posts
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    @Tomo Think I just got one of the random third party sellers on Amazon.
  • Tomo 22 Nov 2020 00:53:42 18,478 posts
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    Rogueywon wrote:
    @Tomo Think I just got one of the random third party sellers on Amazon.
    Just done this and it worked which is handy. Only took an hour or two for the code to come through as well, despite saying 5 days.
  • Mekanik 22 Nov 2020 14:51:23 4,707 posts
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    One_Vurfed_Gwrx wrote:

    Any tips on how to know how much of an issue this will be when looking at future cases? I just go simple with cases, no transparent nonsense but I dont mind if it looks a little nicer than a 90's box. Also preferring the lower end of the budget without too many compromises.
    I built a PC for my son with a Corsair 275R Airflow case. It was very nice to work with and had zero issues fitting in everything, including the enormous Noctua DH15 cooler.

    I have a pile of bits here myself, waiting to score a new GPU and Ryzen. I went with a Lian Li Lancool II Mesh case. Havent actually built it up yet but it certainly looks pretty nice and seems to have plenty of space for my noctua dh15 and whatever size of GPU I can get hold of.

    Both cases were around 70-80 but they both came with 3 fans, so thats nice.
  • Sharz 22 Nov 2020 16:01:41 2,032 posts
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    Selling my MSI 5700XT to replace with a..... Gigabyte 5700XT.

    The noise from the msi model is ridiculous and saw the gigabyte model in Currys for 330 so should break even or close to it. Or am I just plain stupid?
  • Mekanik 22 Nov 2020 16:13:10 4,707 posts
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    @Sharz Cant you hold on for another month or so with your MSI? That money would be better spent on the new gen of GPU's. From either AMD or Nvidia.
  • Sharz 22 Nov 2020 21:18:16 2,032 posts
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    @Mekanik
    Thought about that but my 5700XT won't be worth 300+ in a couple of months and a 6800 sure won't be 300 ball park any time soon. But yes that would be the risk free sensible thing to do. If the MSI card doesn't sell for 300+ then yes it was a gamble that I lost.

    Edited by Sharz at 21:18:48 22-11-2020
  • b-rk 23 Nov 2020 08:31:12 1,581 posts
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    Sharz wrote:
    Selling my MSI 5700XT to replace with a..... Gigabyte 5700XT.

    The noise from the msi model is ridiculous and saw the gigabyte model in Currys for 330 so should break even or close to it. Or am I just plain stupid?
    Well, that's pretty reasonable for a 5700xt but Gigabyte... Sapphire probably produce the best Radeon cards but they command a price premium.
  • Globbits 23 Nov 2020 12:05:48 186 posts
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    TheBlackDog wrote:
    @dfunked09 I assume you have the Telegram link that captain provided earlier: https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAFciuCdyIDkBORJRFQm.

    Only sharing it again as I couldn't find my way to it by googling for some reason.
    I installed the Telegram App and clicked on your link, but it says the chat doesn't exist? I can find a GearInStock chat for the 3070 if I search within Telegram. Is that the one?

    Edit: typo

    Edited by Globbits at 12:06:17 23-11-2020
  • dfunked09 23 Nov 2020 12:25:08 1,028 posts
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    @Globbits
    Yeah, same here. Tried taking the full stop off the end just in case, but same thing.
  • Globbits 23 Nov 2020 12:31:01 186 posts
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    @dfunked09 I managed to find the links from captainbirdseye earlier in the thread, but they were dead too *shrug*
  • Globbits 23 Nov 2020 12:35:09 186 posts
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    @One_Vurfed_Gwrx One other thing that occurred to me - bear in mind that the quoted max GPU length might involve some compromise like removing a drive cage or requiring a shorter PSU etc., depending on the case
  • TheBlackDog 23 Nov 2020 12:42:51 1,109 posts
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    @Globbits hi, try this: https://pa.function.workers.dev/tg/rtxfe

    They just changed them, and this seems to be the link to the FE drops for 3070,3080,3090. They have separate links for custom cards and also for the AMD cards. At the top of that link, you should see a pinned post with all links.

    If that doesn't work let me know and I'll see if I can help any more. I can see they have had custom zotac 3070 drops on Amazon UK (edit: at 515) recently, and some FE cards at RRP are still dribbling through. You can also read the comments for each drop to see if anyone is managing to get one - quite a few of us got the 3070 FE last week.

    Edited by TheBlackDog at 12:46:32 23-11-2020
  • captbirdseye 23 Nov 2020 12:59:02 10,062 posts
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    They changed the invite links:

    https://pa.function.workers.dev/tg/rtx3080

    https://pa.function.workers.dev/tg/rtx3070
  • Globbits 23 Nov 2020 13:16:05 186 posts
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    Thanks both. Fingers crossed I can snag one to upgrade my 1070
  • senso-ji 23 Nov 2020 13:56:55 10,116 posts
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    For those with the cash Scan have Zotac RTX 3090 GPUs in stock and are taking pre-orders for the Palit brand as well.
  • dfunked09 23 Nov 2020 14:27:28 1,028 posts
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    Cheers cap :)

    Currys seems to be worth keeping a tab open for during the day at least. My account seems to have been totally knackered after using their eBay store though.
  • captbirdseye 23 Nov 2020 14:39:32 10,062 posts
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    Happy hunting and enjoy endlessly clicking on boats for Captcha.
  • One_Vurfed_Gwrx 23 Nov 2020 22:04:05 4,121 posts
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    Globbits wrote:
    @One_Vurfed_Gwrx One other thing that occurred to me - bear in mind that the quoted max GPU length might involve some compromise like removing a drive cage or requiring a shorter PSU etc., depending on the case
    That is the sort lf thing that made me dubious about choosing a new case in the first place. The joys of finding a reasonably priced case that fits everything in without too many compromises. Guess I will hit that challenge once I have a new CPU/MOBO planned...
  • gman7714 24 Nov 2020 02:09:18 479 posts
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    @Tomo
    Wow that SFF is awesome mate. I'd never seen cases that small before.
  • Tomo 24 Nov 2020 10:33:19 18,478 posts
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    @gman7714

    Yeah, they are wonderful. I'll upload some photos of it next to my old machine once I've got them both constructed. Had issues with deliveries regarding the latter which is annoying...

    There is a whole world of SFF cases out there. The Dan A4 is one of the more popular ones certainly, because it is tiny (7 litres) and it can support full length GPUs (although most of the 3xxx series are incompatible) and has pretty good airflow. I highly recommend it if you are willing to pay the slight premium for smaller parts. Other good ones include the Louqe Ghost S1, Fractal Node 202, NZXT H1, Coolermaster NR200P, various Sliger cases, etc, etc.

    There is a huge community around them, with a lot of very obsessive people looking to make their setup the quietest, coolest SFF around.

    https://smallformfactor.net/ is a great source of info, along with Reddit.

    Edited by Tomo at 10:33:27 24-11-2020
  • dfunked09 24 Nov 2020 10:55:06 1,028 posts
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    I'm in love with the NZXT H1 but have to keep telling myself I don't need to rebuild just for the sake of it. Seems a bit too tight/not enough airflow for something like a 3080/6800XT, but looks bloody lovely!

    If I'm buying a new board I might as well just make the jump to AMD instead of trying to find a Z370/390 board.

    /opens tabs to look at mITX boards

    Doesn't look like anything actually ticks all of my boxes anyway (AX WiFi and 2.5 GbE), so I'll stick with my Meshify C for now (which has absolutely nothing wrong with it, it's just a bit big)

    /edit
    Bizarrely B550 boards like the Strix B550-I do offer what I'm looking for... I just can't make up my mind now!

    Edited by dfunked09 at 12:09:40 24-11-2020
  • Tomo 24 Nov 2020 12:27:22 18,478 posts
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    I considered the NZXT H1, but ultimately decided it was still actually kinda large. Not a HUGE enough step down from an mATX case anyway. I'm not sure I'd want the H1 on my desk at least. Whereas the Dan is so small it would actually be pretty nice on a desk, or under a living room telly. It can take a 3080FE and a couple of the other AIB versions (EVGA I think). If the Dan A4 is just a bit too small, the NR200P and upcoming Dan C4 can take 3 slot/300cm+ cards I believe, whilst attempting to remain as close to those dimensions as possible.

    On the thermals thing... Admittedly, I'm still investigating with the Dan, but I feel like it's somewhat of a red-herring. Youtubers/reviewers etc go on and on and on about SFF thermals. However I think they are concerned with squeezing out every last drop of performance through overclocking etc, basically trying to achieve as close as possible to ATX performance with all the benefits possible there with giant CPU coolers and loads of airflow.

    I've chucked this together and at idle right now, my Dan A4 is running at: CPU = 35C, GPU = 28C, SSD = 50C.

    (The SSD is sandwiched up against the PCI-e riser cable in this case, which is something I realised might be a temperature issue after I finished packing it all in tightly together -_-. Some people online stick a thin piece of plastic between the SSD and cable to lower the SSD temp)

    I've (so far) played CS:GO on it... and monitored the temps and they've been fine - usual gaming temps (~75C). I do need to try something more taxing like Control/Cyberpunk etc, but honestly I'm struggling to see how thermal-related performance is ever actually going to be a problem, for my needs at least. Ultimately I can just set a thermal limit on the card in Afterburner and go from there. Sure, I might lose 10% performance, but that is a small, small compromise compared to all the benefits of having a SFF PC. And even then it's possible to undervolt so that you lower the temperature by several degrees whilst only slightly compromising on performance.
  • Tomo 24 Nov 2020 12:28:53 18,478 posts
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    Incidentally, if anyone is interested in a really nice Widget for monitoring hardware load, temps, etc., then I found this:

    https://github.com/ArcadeRenegade/SidebarDiagnostics

    It's just lovely. A small, entirely configurable sidebar that just sits on the right handside of my desktop. Installation was a breeze and it's informative whilst being nice and unobtrusive.

    Edited by Tomo at 12:29:32 24-11-2020
  • Sharz 24 Nov 2020 15:24:54 2,032 posts
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    @Tomo

    Oh that looks really nice. Was last night messing around with the AMD Radeon Overlay metrics (which is surprisingly decent, but limited) and the game bar thingy. But was a little messy. It's amazing how many programs have a fps counter, or wattage, or vram usage, or cpu usage, or temperatures. And not many have it all in a simply overlay.

    Edited by Sharz at 15:28:48 24-11-2020
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