Building A Gaming PC - Parts Advice Needed Page 224

  • Gregolution 15 Feb 2021 17:48:06 10,848 posts
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    @CrispyXUKTurbo

    I really don't agree with 'much better features'. And all along the chain of monitors or tv screens, bigger is more expensive (with very few exceptions, such as 48 inch OLED).

    Is the 27 inch version of this screen more expensive than the 35 then?

    Surely the most important feature of a screen is picture quality, which is actually worse on the Asus compared to the new LG OLEDs.

    It seems all wrong to me.
  • Fake_Blood 15 Feb 2021 20:28:42 10,812 posts
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    This LTT video explains why larger screens aren't necessarily more expensive to make: https://youtu.be/5yuqcfp1xxI?t=118 (I've linked to the relevant bit)

    The panels are cut out of square sheets, and I bet 21:9 just isn't that efficient to fit in with the other 16:9 panels.
  • crashVoodoo 16 Feb 2021 14:07:02 7,069 posts
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    captbirdseye wrote:
    Have you had a look at AOC 34? It's generally regarded as one of the best bang for buck ultrawides you can get.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/AOC-CU34G2X-BK-Widescreen-3440x1440/dp/B082VHT11B
    Brother in law got this one from Amazon. He loves it but sadly it developed a stuck pixel that would not shift. He said he would live with it but it's right in the centre area so he just noticed it all the time

    He's sending it back to Amazon tomorrow and he's already had the same model delivered but from Box this time as Amazon are not expecting stock for 2 months
  • captbirdseye 16 Feb 2021 14:10:05 10,430 posts
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    Monitor lottery has never been so bad the last few years. I think I've sent back about 5 or 6 this year due to light bleed or smearing.
  • THFourteen 16 Feb 2021 17:20:02 53,952 posts
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    https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/blog/asus-rog-swift-pg32uq-with-32-ips-panel-4k-144hz-and-hdmi-2-1/
    https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/blog/viewsonic-elite-xg321ug-with-32-ips-panel-4k-144hz-g-sync-ultimate-and-mini-led-backlight/

    Those two look good but you'll have to wait for later in the year.
  • Rogueywon 16 Feb 2021 17:41:47 11,038 posts
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    @THFourteen That Asus looks lovely. Think I might hang on and snag one of those.
  • Gregolution 16 Feb 2021 18:57:38 10,848 posts
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    @THFourteen

    You beauty. That looks like a proper upgrade from my current Asus. Nice one.
  • uiruki 16 Feb 2021 20:18:44 5,667 posts
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    That's a really nice combo of features on the Asus. I can see that being expensive and hard to get.
  • Technoishmatt 16 Feb 2021 20:38:49 4,943 posts
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    Looks like what I would have been interested in too. But pricing probably makes it a bit silly for my purposes.
  • uiruki 16 Feb 2021 20:57:31 5,667 posts
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    Actually, looking through the page, it is only Gsync compatible, and it isn't specific about the HDR so it may well just be edge lit; might be closer to 1k than 2.
  • KD 18 Feb 2021 14:06:27 3,251 posts
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    @Gregolution Seen this and thought of you, nicely explained and good news.

    https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/im-hoping-lgs-48-inch-oled-gaming-tv-drops-in-price-as-production-goes-into-high-gear/
  • uiruki 18 Feb 2021 14:53:02 5,667 posts
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    48's a great size for 4k because it gives you the same pixel density as a 24" 1080p monitor. Means you can sidestep Windows scaling issues (especially across multiple monitors) by just running at 100%.

    Obviously I wouldn't be running desktop stuff on it unless I wanted a burned in screen and a new suntan - and for best results it really wants a 3000-series nVidia card as only they have HDMI 2.1 - but for games even my 55" CX is a good PC plug and play display.
  • Fake_Blood 18 Feb 2021 15:00:28 10,812 posts
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    I have mine set at 140% scaling and the oled light at 40%.
    No burn in yet but then again 90% of the time it's used for gaming.
  • uiruki 18 Feb 2021 15:06:18 5,667 posts
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    Oh yeah, I mean using it primarily as a desktop with the taskbar and stuff, either working on documents or generally browsing with static title bars, white pages and such. Secondary with no taskbar, using it for videos and games should be no bother (and from what I see online LG is pretty generous for replacements out of warranty for burn-in).
  • Gregolution 18 Feb 2021 15:14:02 10,848 posts
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    @KD

    sort of proving my point isn't it? These new OLED tvs are practically as good regarding game specific features as traditional gaming monitors but are far less expensive. The only reason the 48 is very marginally more expensive than the 55 is because of mass production.

    Whereas 32 inch gaming monitors are a lot more than even the 65 inch OLEDs, let alone the 55 and 48.

    I mean if the only reason these 32 inch monitors are so outrageously priced is because they only sell a few hundred per year, that's a fine explanation. But I was referring to the quality of the screens in picture and features. These OLEDs having amazing pixel response time, VRR and high refresh rates as well as better PQ.

    Edited by Gregolution at 15:15:42 18-02-2021
  • Gregolution 18 Feb 2021 15:17:03 10,848 posts
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    uiruki wrote:
    Obviously I wouldn't be running desktop stuff on it unless I wanted a burned in screen and a new suntan
    This is a very good point. Wonder if OLED will ever work for standard desktop use.... burn in is a big problem they'll have to solve.
  • Fake_Blood 18 Feb 2021 15:17:11 10,812 posts
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    Iím trying to avoid it by turning it off when Iím not using it. That said, the remote with the pointer thingy is also a big plus versus buttons on a normal monitor. I wish more people could see this thing running at 120fps with hdr. Even in a shop best case it will be running some demo video at 60fps.
  • uiruki 18 Feb 2021 15:20:48 5,667 posts
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    A black wallpaper, dark mode where available and generally avoiding static elements for really extended periods of time is doable so I would say that as a secondary monitor they're totally viable.

    Also dragging something onto a display that appears to be completely off is still really cool.
  • THFourteen 18 Feb 2021 15:34:06 53,952 posts
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    I wouldnít use a low PPI screen as a monitor. High PPI is one of the best reasons to be a PC gamer. 1440p/27 is as low as itís worth going thesedays.
  • Fake_Blood 18 Feb 2021 15:47:08 10,812 posts
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    Depends how far away you sit, for me itís about two feet and I donít see the individual pixels. But if I need to type some text Iíll still do it on a macbook. I donít really get what youíre saying about PPI and pc gaming though, I would say resolution and framerate are the best things about pc gaming.
  • THFourteen 18 Feb 2021 15:55:51 53,952 posts
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    @Fake_Blood

    Yeah but 4k resolution on a 48Ē screen 5 feet away from you is no better than 1080p on a 24Ē screen in front of your face.

    Take a look at a 27Ē 4k display and tell me you arenít blown away by the clarity compared to a 4k 48Ē.
  • KD 18 Feb 2021 16:06:06 3,251 posts
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    I wouldn't go bigger than 27 for 1080p, I do notice mine after being on my seperate ultrawide thats slightly smaller, but its perfectly fine for my use as a sim rig.

    It helps I dont have any 1440p or 4k screens around me day to day I think but have started looking about at a upgrade for the ultrawide, 32" 16:9 with 4k for my desk, something to build a AM5 motherboard around and new consoles a bit sooner.

    Edited by KD at 16:06:44 18-02-2021
  • Fake_Blood 18 Feb 2021 16:31:43 10,812 posts
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    THFourteen wrote:
    @Fake_Blood

    Yeah but 4k resolution on a 48Ē screen 5 feet away from you is no better than 1080p on a 24Ē screen in front of your face.
    Those numbers are so specific that I bet youíre just pulling this from some chart, arenít you?
  • THFourteen 18 Feb 2021 16:34:05 53,952 posts
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    @Fake_Blood

    No! I was basing it on comments that people had made above :-)
  • Fake_Blood 18 Feb 2021 16:51:32 10,812 posts
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    @THFourteen Alright then.
    What can I say, I donít sit 5 feet away and this thing looks really good to me. And especially now itís hard to really compare screens unless youíre a tech youtuber or something. I briefly tried a 27Ē 144hz screen in a shop more than a year ago, and it did look nice as well.
  • Gregolution 18 Feb 2021 18:59:15 10,848 posts
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    I'm at a loss about what to get.. that new 32 inch asus or a giant ultra wide 1400p. The 32 inch asus seems to have pretty bad HDR as well, only DisplayHDR 600. The new 43 inch is better but it's too big for a desktop.
  • Gregolution 18 Feb 2021 19:08:46 10,848 posts
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    the ROG SWIFT PG35VQ 35 still gives me a boner
  • crashVoodoo 18 Feb 2021 19:11:07 7,069 posts
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    TH is right for a desktop monitors that you sit close to the ppi is also factor.

    When I was working in the office, I had 3 X monitors at my desk. 2 X 1080p and a 1440p. The 2x1080s were 23 and a 27inch HPs and you could clearly see the pixels on the larger monitor. It didn't look great and felt like everything was being blown-up/resized/artificially scaled.

    The 1440p was also 27 inch but due to the increased resolution, the ppi on it was loads better and content felt natural again.
  • crashVoodoo 18 Feb 2021 19:15:44 7,069 posts
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    Gregolution wrote:
    the ROG SWIFT PG35VQ 35 still gives me a boner
    Me too and the Odyssey G9 that TH has.

    Currently have an Asus ROG 27inch Gsync 144hz 2k thing and it's bloody fantastic. I'm not sold really on 4k, so I think only an ultrawide with HDR is going to feel like an upgrade for me. I think the wider FoV is going to feel more immersive than just a raw pixel uptick
  • Gregolution 18 Feb 2021 22:31:22 10,848 posts
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    @crashVoodoo

    that's exactly the monitor I have - your current 27. I like it, but think exactly the same as you - wider fOv > 4k.
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