Building A Gaming PC - Parts Advice Needed Page 242

  • uiruki 1 Jun 2021 12:03:03 5,920 posts
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    There'll be plenty of AIB cards quoted at around 1500 at this rate, I think. Doubt you'll get much change out of 2k in practice though - OCUK have had some AMD 6900 XT in stock for a while and people aren't really biting at the 1500-1600 they're asking.

    Edited by uiruki at 12:21:20 01-06-2021
  • muddyyfunster 1 Jun 2021 12:49:50 1,267 posts
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    Actually, after reflecting on it, these new cards are clever business for Nvidia.

    Really just seems like a way of circumventing their old inconvenient MSRP commitments by way of prematurely trying to render those cards obsolete.

    I.e Sell the same GPU dies with a slight tweak and ramp up price. I suspect 3080 and 3070s production will conveniently cease now that Nvidia have essentially doubled their margin with these new variants that no one asked for.
  • uiruki 1 Jun 2021 14:19:46 5,920 posts
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    Yeah, itís another way for them to use the dies they make to make them more money. A failed 3090 goes into a 3080ti instead of a 3080 or if theyíre having a big problem with GDDR6X production they can stick out some 3080Ti instead and use half as much.
  • Tomo 1 Jun 2021 14:36:43 19,523 posts
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    It's absolutely crazy. Like when mobile phone prices exploded and now it's commonplace to drop a grand on a phone. I hope current gen cards come back down to sensible levels at some point, otherwise the accessibility of PC gaming is going to suffer.
  • muddyyfunster 1 Jun 2021 14:46:13 1,267 posts
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    If Intel manages to produce something half decent we'll at least have three players in the GPU space, so once supply issues are resolved (and they will be eventually) market forces should bring prices back down. Does feel like that's years rather than months away though.

    I share your concern that PC gaming might stagnate. There's not much point pushing high-end RT features and the like if only 2% of your market can use them.
  • Rogueywon 1 Jun 2021 14:50:45 12,244 posts
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    I don't see prices coming down until at least one, and possibly both, of two issues get sorted out.

    The first is the semiconductor shortage. This is driving price-hikes across loads of consumer goods at the moment. It sounds like it's not going to alleviate for at least a year.

    The second is the cryptocurrency boom. I know some of these new cards are hobbled for cryptomining, but I don't really see that solving the problem. The potential gains here are so great that the farmers will just buy twice as many cards. I have honestly no idea why governments haven't cracked down more on crypto. Lootboxes are in the firing line for legislation and, with its links to criminal activity and its environmental impacts, crypto must surely be an even more pressing target.
  • Fake_Blood 1 Jun 2021 15:00:36 11,050 posts
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    I thought I was being crazy spending £950 on a 3080 back in November.
  • captbirdseye 1 Jun 2021 15:10:33 11,131 posts
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    The whole thing is fucked. Nvidia released a press release that stated a different price for 3080TI and then a few hours later they slapped an extra $200 on top.

    It's pretty funny that the 3090 memes are now dead in the water because why would you purchase a TI when you can a 3090 with more vram.
  • brokenkey 1 Jun 2021 16:06:11 11,108 posts
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    Rogueywon wrote:

    The second is the cryptocurrency boom. I know some of these new cards are hobbled for cryptomining, but I don't really see that solving the problem. The potential gains here are so great that the farmers will just buy twice as many cards. I have honestly no idea why governments haven't cracked down more on crypto. Lootboxes are in the firing line for legislation and, with its links to criminal activity and its environmental impacts, crypto must surely be an even more pressing target.
    But who do you go after, for bitcoin?
  • KD 1 Jun 2021 16:11:15 3,519 posts
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    They go after those stealing electric hopefully.
  • Rogueywon 1 Jun 2021 16:29:44 12,244 posts
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    brokenkey wrote:
    Rogueywon wrote:

    The second is the cryptocurrency boom. I know some of these new cards are hobbled for cryptomining, but I don't really see that solving the problem. The potential gains here are so great that the farmers will just buy twice as many cards. I have honestly no idea why governments haven't cracked down more on crypto. Lootboxes are in the firing line for legislation and, with its links to criminal activity and its environmental impacts, crypto must surely be an even more pressing target.
    But who do you go after, for bitcoin?
    You can ban two things - mining the currencies and making/receiving payments in them. How enforceable those bans would be is open to question, but if a few major nations did that, the chilling effect would probably end the boom at a stroke and make the mining unprofitable.
  • brokenkey 1 Jun 2021 16:46:41 11,108 posts
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    I think you've simplified what you actualy ban quite a bit there. Also, rogue nations won't care, will still keep buying up all the hardware. And Australia. They should have half of their GDP from using solar to mine crypto by now.
  • Rogueywon 1 Jun 2021 16:55:06 12,244 posts
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    @brokenkey If you can only use the stuff in rogue nations, its value will be way, way lower and it won't be worth mining.
  • crashVoodoo 1 Jun 2021 17:41:14 7,174 posts
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    Fake_Blood wrote:
    I thought I was being crazy spending £950 on a 3080 back in November.
    I had this exact same thought when I finally picked up my 3080, I think in the new year. 900 seemed like a lot but the price the msi suprims have just continued going up so I'm glad I finally jumped in and didn't hesitate further
  • muddyyfunster 2 Jun 2021 12:28:17 1,267 posts
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    Thankfully Nvidia's warranty is 3 years on founders cards.

    I had assumed it would be only 1 year and it suddenly dawned on me that a non-warranty like-for-like replacement for my FE could cost more than double my initial purchase price.

    Hopefully, by 2024 the market might be saner.

    Edited by muddyyfunster at 12:28:38 02-06-2021
  • Phattso 2 Jun 2021 12:29:07 27,302 posts
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    You're *really* thankful!
  • muddyyfunster 2 Jun 2021 12:30:09 1,267 posts
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    Oof, the rarely seen sextuple post.
  • Phattso 2 Jun 2021 12:35:53 27,302 posts
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    It's always about sex with you. Change the record, horn dog.

    Edited by Phattso at 12:35:59 02-06-2021
  • Blackmarsh63 2 Jun 2021 14:32:30 4,419 posts
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    @captbirdseye Apparently itís Tie now 🥱
  • OnlyJoeKing 2 Jun 2021 17:01:34 1,282 posts
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    Funny how it's being absolutely ripped to shreds in reviews, yet will no doubt instantly sell out the next day.
  • captbirdseye 2 Jun 2021 17:20:32 11,131 posts
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    Nvidia worse than scalpers is the problem and the poor amount of VRAM on both models.
  • OnlyJoeKing 2 Jun 2021 21:11:31 1,282 posts
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    Quite the sentence towards the end of the PC Gamer review:

    ...if you can pick up an RTX 3080 Ti Founders Edition at launch, for MSRP, you'll be snagging a deal so good we may never see anything like it for the duration of this card's lifespan.
    "good" probably isn't the right word but, that aside, it's depressingly plausible.
  • THFourteen 2 Jun 2021 21:13:14 54,892 posts
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    As a PC gamer it pains me to say it but just buy a Series X and PS5 and be done with it.
  • X201 2 Jun 2021 21:14:20 22,082 posts
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    Given current prices, can we rename the thread?

    Building A Gaming PC - Mortgage Advice Needed
  • muddyyfunster 2 Jun 2021 22:48:35 1,267 posts
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    The Gamers Nexus review was pretty blunt. 71% more money for less than 10% extra performance vs the 3080FE.

    Edited by muddyyfunster at 22:52:22 02-06-2021
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