Building A Gaming PC - Parts Advice Needed Page 243

  • uiruki 2 Jun 2021 23:09:54 5,920 posts
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    Yeah, that slapped some sense into me, I was considering having a go tomorrow.

    edit: thinking about it, for the RRP price difference I could make up the difference with a faster CPU and get benefits outside of games too. Though with those new Zen 3s with the extra cache AMD mentioned coming later this year it makes more sense to wait a bit longer and really maximise what I can get from my X570 motherboard.

    Edited by uiruki at 23:11:36 02-06-2021
  • uiruki 3 Jun 2021 10:13:35 5,920 posts
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    If you type in '3080ti' on the CCL Computers search then it'll give you some search results with the prices that are in the backend, even if the results when you hit enter aren't shown. From the ones I can see, they want between 2276.98 for a Palit one and 3057.79 for an MSI Trio (not even a water cooled one!). In completely unrelated news, a friend has an order in for later this month from Scan for an entire system with a 3080 and a 10900K for about 2200.

    I must admit that this whole thing's really gotten these retailers showing their true colours. We knew OCUK were scalpers because they always have been, but I've been really disappointed at how CCL have handled themselves. Coupled with the way they decided to send two hard drives to me without any kind of protection and then botched the RMA last year I don't think I'll be going back to them for a while, which is a shame as they were always good as a supplier previously.

    Edited by uiruki at 10:15:12 03-06-2021
  • captbirdseye 3 Jun 2021 10:26:02 11,131 posts
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    CCL 3080 prices were ridiculous and worse than OCUK. I always expected things to calm down by now but here we are with pitiful stock and eBay full of thousands for FE cards hehe.
  • captbirdseye 3 Jun 2021 10:28:42 11,131 posts
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    Lol, OCUK were doing a ticket system for the TI's but they don't even have enough stock for it hehe.
  • captbirdseye 3 Jun 2021 11:22:56 11,131 posts
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    https://i.imgur.com/KKMYRkZ_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

    Haha.
  • dfunked09 3 Jun 2021 11:29:54 2,244 posts
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    @captbirdseye
    Jesus fucking Christ! I thought CCL were one of the not totally terrible ones, but that's put them on my avoid list!

    So glad that I lucked out with a 3080 back in December... This thing is going to have to last me for a long bloody time!
  • captbirdseye 3 Jun 2021 14:08:38 11,131 posts
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    1300 for an FE version hahaha.
  • muddyyfunster 3 Jun 2021 15:48:57 1,267 posts
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    Where are you seeing that? It's £1049 (a mere 62% more expensive than the 3080) on the Nvidia website.
  • uiruki 3 Jun 2021 15:51:22 5,920 posts
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    They said it was a pricing error and they're refunding anyone who paid the higher price. Given how up and down the other cards were I think that it's not too unlikely.
  • captbirdseye 3 Jun 2021 15:51:36 11,131 posts
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    The price was 1300 when you added it to the basket but I think something off was going on as the Nvidia price was 1049.
  • superdelphinus 3 Jun 2021 20:23:37 10,504 posts
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    captbirdseye wrote:
    https://i.imgur.com/KKMYRkZ_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

    Haha.
    Seriously, who would spend £3k on a gpu, knowing that itís three times the rrp?
  • Fake_Blood 3 Jun 2021 21:26:01 11,050 posts
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    Some people will pay as much to have their brake callipers painted fluorescent yellow on their porsche.
  • OnlyJoeKing 5 Jun 2021 20:36:14 1,282 posts
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    What's the general consensus on monitor buying these days?

    My venerable freesync ultrawide is not playing nicely with my new 3080 - I'm getting tearing, so it seems freesync isn't working properly - and my missus wants to buy it off me for work, so it's Upgrade Time.

    But seems the deep blacks and HDR and high refresh bandwidth limitations aren't properly sorted yet...

    I think, after much agonising, I'm toying between just spending ~£750 on a non-HDR 120hz G-Sync screen (proper G-Sync is a must after my current issues) and waxing a fucking grand and a half - £1750 actually - on a Predator X35... which sounds good but still isn't perfect and god damn, that's a lot of cash.

    A sort of halfway house would be one of the recent 21:9 38" 3820x1600 monitors, but they don't feel ideal either.... not great HDR, bandwidth issues at max refresh, and they're damn expensive too.

    Not really seeing an easy choice here tbh.
  • OnlyJoeKing 5 Jun 2021 20:41:42 1,282 posts
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    Not really seeing an easy choice here tbh.
    Which lends itself to getting the cheaper one, maybe? But then you will spend the next 5-10 years without HDR...
  • OnlyJoeKing 5 Jun 2021 21:09:02 1,282 posts
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    I realise I haven't really asked a very specific question here but good lord am I confused, lol. I guess it's basically a question of getting your priorities in order.

    I think what I'm really asking is: if there's some kind of mind blowing tech just around the corner, please tell me :D
  • OnlyJoeKing 5 Jun 2021 21:17:56 1,282 posts
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    A better question would be: what the hell would you buy
  • uiruki 5 Jun 2021 22:30:36 5,920 posts
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    The problem is HDR in the monitor space - and in Windows itself - just isn't very good. If you want HDR, get yourself one of the 42 inch LG OLEDs, but be prepared to have to work around not having too many static elements on screen. I'd discount it until MicroLED is affordable: the MiniLED equivalents are like three grand, which can buy you an OLED and a good SDR monitor with enough change to buy another computer entirely.

    I'd get a fast Gsync display in the ratio you want. One of those 3840x1600 ultrawides would not only give you a little performance boost over 4k but they'd also be fantastic for doing work on, if you're on WFH. Or if your eyes are good consider a 32 inch 4k display to run at 100% scaling as that'll give you slightly more room, albeit with smaller text.

    Personally, I'm finding that ultrawide support isn't really improving in the stuff I tend to play so I'm actually considering going back down to 2560x1440 at a higher refresh rate, especially since my 2080 is running out of puff at 3440. The last thing I want from an expensive monitor purchase is the requirement to buy a scalped graphics card to drive it - in that sense you've done the expensive bit.
  • Frogofdoom 5 Jun 2021 22:48:41 17,840 posts
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    I wouldnt go anywhere near an oled monitor, you only have to fuck up once and screen burn is there forever. Take it from someone that has an oled TV with screen burn that pisses me off frequently. The picture is amazing but there are plenty of other amazing screens that don't carry the risk.
  • THFourteen 6 Jun 2021 05:08:46 54,892 posts
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    I love my G9Ö

    The HDR is shit but itís so immersive.

    Code WEEKEND15 saves you £187 on the Samsung store today.

    Edited by THFourteen at 05:14:09 06-06-2021
  • OnlyJoeKing 6 Jun 2021 15:06:42 1,282 posts
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    Heh, the G9. The wildcard pick! That thing is absurd. I'm not sure I'm ready for a monitor that big. Really though the thing that puts me off is that it's only G-Sync Certified. The Nvidia site suggests it only works from 60-240hz.

    Same goes for the new LG displays, they look good but are G-Sync Certified only. There's an interesting G-Sync Ultimate one on the way - the 34GP950G - which seems to be on the verge of release, but no details of exactly when just yet. Will probably cost a bomb too, for a 34".

    There are a couple interesting 38" screens with a G-Sync module - the Alienware AW3821DW (G-Sync Ultimate) and Acer X38P (G-Sync) - I'm a bit put off by the bandwidth limitations though. Seems that at that res you can only get 10 bit colour up to 120hz, and to go up to 144hz you have to drop to 8 bit colour. I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make really? Not ideal when you have to spend over a grand though.

    Might make most sense to just go for a much cheaper 120hz screen without HDR, like the Alienware AW3420DW. Still a lovely display.... just no HDR.

    Think I'm leaning toward the 38" Alienware one...
  • Fake_Blood 6 Jun 2021 17:10:38 11,050 posts
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    8 bit means no hdr. Also not sure what LG displays you mean, but the CX does gsync from 40 to 120 fps.
  • OnlyJoeKing 6 Jun 2021 19:33:53 1,282 posts
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    Ah, cheers.

    By LG displays I mean the 34GN850-N and 38GN950-B monitors... their predecessor, the 38GL950, had a G-Sync chip, but you can't seem to get that anymore.

    It's between the two Alienwares really:

    AW3821DW
    - 20% bigger,
    - HDR (albeit shit HDR)

    AW3420DW
    - 30% cheaper
    - Same pixel density (20% better framerate!)

    Given HDR is a bit wank on PC, I'd effectively get a 20% better framerate with the smaller one, and it's much cheaper..... that actually seems the better choice. I'm changing my mind every 5 mins though. Should probably just grab the big one, usually a safe bet, lol
  • Fake_Blood 6 Jun 2021 20:11:33 11,050 posts
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    Good hdr is really nice though. But I agree that both windows and the monitor manufacturers are lagging behind in implementing it.
  • OnlyJoeKing 6 Jun 2021 20:26:31 1,282 posts
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    Yeah, it is, it is. You tend to keep monitors for years too, so it feels like a bad thing to miss out on altogether.
  • Fake_Blood 6 Jun 2021 21:17:13 11,050 posts
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    Itís frustrating more than anything. I wanted 21:9 with gsync and good hdr, which when I was looking a year ago ws so expensive that the 48 cx started making sense. Eventually said fuck it and decided I would be careful to avoid burn in. Been fine so far, it doesnít spend a lot of time just sitting at the desktop.
    I hope mini led solves all the issues though.
  • OnlyJoeKing 6 Jun 2021 22:31:35 1,282 posts
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    Frustrating is exactly it... there's no ideal choice.

    AW3420DW - £850 - no HDR

    AW3821DW - £1250 - bigger + shit HDR

    X35 - £1750 - OK/flawed HDR, but now you're talking double the price! For a less than ideal screen.

    Pick your compromise!

    Edited by OnlyJoeKing at 22:31:58 06-06-2021
  • THFourteen 6 Jun 2021 22:48:37 54,892 posts
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    No interest in a 32Ē 4k?

    There are some good ones due out this year.
  • OnlyJoeKing 7 Jun 2021 00:13:25 1,282 posts
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    Nah man, I don't think so. Ultrawide all the way. Can't imagine going back to 16:9 now.

    You'd have thought it would make the decision a bit easier
  • OnlyJoeKing 7 Jun 2021 02:32:27 1,282 posts
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    Fuck it, just went for the non-HDR 3440x1440 one. Hard to resist the ever-present urge to buy the shiniest thing... but it doesn't seem worth splashing out just to get HDR when it's still a bit all over the place. Could maybe consider this an, er, extremely expensive stopgap until some properly good HDR screens come out.

    And even with a 3080 I'm not going to be hitting 120fps in many games at this res, so it doesn't make sense to go 3840x1600.
  • uiruki 7 Jun 2021 08:57:43 5,920 posts
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    I think that's probably the most sensible option - it's the least expensive and you can absolutely repurpose it as a pure working monitor in four years or whenever HDR monitors with fewer tradeoffs come out.
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