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  • DMJ 20 Oct 2017 10:50:07 821 posts
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    I got a pair of AKG N60NC Wireless headphones yesterday. They're not cheap (£225 down from £250) but most of the reviews have been 5*. I have a wired pair of Y50s already, which are excellent (and only £50), but had been considering a wireless pair for ages.

    Used them on the commute this morning. The noise cancellation is great, though it's the first pair I've ever had with the feature so can't say how they compare to anything else.

    And they sound wonderful too, which is the most important thing.

    Edited by DMJ at 13:24:49 20-10-2017
  • Tomo 20 Oct 2017 12:51:02 15,917 posts
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    @thumbgoals

    Wow, that's a win right there. Well played.
  • thumbgoals 20 Oct 2017 14:34:18 31 posts
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    Following on from my BOSE QC bargain it actually gets better. I went back into Currys yesterday to pick up an Apple Watch strap for my wife that I saw in the bargain bin. To my amazement there was a set of Sennheiser Momentum 2 over ears in there for £85. Swiftly grabbed them and took them to the till and same routine, 50% off so they were £42.50...these aren’t the wireless ones but still well over £200 in most places. I also discovered a black Apple leather case for my iPhone 7 which are usually £45 and was £8 and also an Apple Smart Cover and silicone case for my iPad mini 4 for £12 the pair. The silicone case alone retails for £60. Crazy times.
  • nickthegun 20 Oct 2017 15:20:15 74,102 posts
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    There's a dickbag sat 20 feet away from me and I can still hear the music plopping out of his crappy apple earbuds, the selfish cunt.
  • ozthegweat 10 Nov 2017 18:59:44 1,894 posts
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    Headphones newbie here. I'm looking for a nice pair for gaming (PS4 and XB1) at home in a flat (hence headphones), I don't plan to use them on the go. I'm on my own (insert forever alone meme here) so from what I've read there's no reason not to go for some open back headphones. I don't need a mic; 99.9% of the time I play on my own, so on those very rare occasions I need a mic I just use the cheapo mics that came with the consoles.

    Budget is £200-300. What to choose? Fidelio X2 seem nice, but quite expensive. Sennheiser have a limited sound stage according to reviews.

    I planned to simply attach them to the audio output of the TV. Or is an amp really worth it?
    And what about wireless? Is it possible to have nearly equal sound quality compared to wired headphones, with a dropout-free connection?
  • Not-a-reviewer 10 Nov 2017 19:08:03 5,061 posts
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    It's difficult for anyone here to give a good opinion as few will have tried many to compare.

    I have the sennheiser momentum 2s and have no issue at all, they're better than any expensive in ear ones I've had.

    I'd only bother with wireless if the convenience is that important. If the cable isn't going to get in the way then I'd stick with wired for indoor home stuff unless you spot a bargain.
  • FuzzyDucky 10 Nov 2017 19:41:52 3,225 posts
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    I use my open back Sennheiser HD558s through an amp and they sound fantastic with the caveat they'd sound like crap just plugged into the TV audio out. They need the amp.

    I picked up the Sony Wireless 2.0 headset during the summer (on sale) and they sound pretty great over wireless. You obviously can't use them like that on the Xbawks, but you get a 3.5mm to 3.5mm and can use them as a standard set that way.
  • ozthegweat 11 Nov 2017 08:25:29 1,894 posts
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    @reviewer Those are Bluetooth right? Can you connect them via cable as well and do you hear a difference compared to BT?

    @FuzzyDucky Do you use it with a headphone amp, and if so, does it have a virtual surround processor? Are they worth it?
  • nickthegun 11 Nov 2017 08:52:05 74,102 posts
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    Your best bet is to go to the biggest Currys you can find and demo some. They obviously don't have the high end audiophile grade stuff but the aircraft hangar sized ones do tend to have a fair smattering of good stuff like Bose qc35 and Sony 1000x.

    When I got my beats solo 3 from work, I popped in to make sure they weren't as shit as urban legend would have you believe and whether or not the studio were with the extra fiver a month.
  • uiruki 11 Nov 2017 09:24:07 4,546 posts
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    I have the Momentum 2 Wireless, the over ear ones; you can connect them via an included earphone cable or USB (they can act as their own DAC/amp). Only things that I'd call minuses are that the noise cancelling isn't as strong as other brands (I ended up changing to the Sony WH-1000XM2 for that reason) and if you're on iOS only the over ear ones don't have AAC support (though the in-ear ones do), which means they can sound a little fuzzy on an iPhone.

    You can get them without wireless/NC too and they're quite a bit less expensive that way.

    Edited by uiruki at 09:24:58 11-11-2017
  • mrharvest 12 Nov 2017 02:43:15 5,527 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Your best bet is to go to the biggest Currys you can find and demo some.
    This is the truth. Headphones are such a personal preference thing that there's hardly any one-size-fits-all solutions, except maybe the very top end models. You just have to try a bunch and see what works for you.

    Also remember that EU guarantees right to cancel on Internet sales, so you can try a pair in the comfort of your home for a week and send them back if you don't get along.
  • UncleLou Moderator 12 Nov 2017 06:06:32 39,525 posts
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    mrharvest wrote:
    nickthegun wrote:
    Your best bet is to go to the biggest Currys you can find and demo some.
    This is the truth.
    You might end up with the ones with a banana-shaped frequency response that sounds the "flashiest" and are a little louder than the others, which annoy you after 20 minutes. ;-)

    Really difficult.
  • mrharvest 12 Nov 2017 07:45:33 5,527 posts
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    Yeah, there is that risk. Which is why I suggested ordering online so you can send them back if they turn out to be Bose. ;)
  • FuzzyDucky 12 Nov 2017 08:35:55 3,225 posts
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    @ozthegweat The Wireless 2.0 I use just with the 3.5mm cable for music from my laptop or phone (if I'm lying in bed), no amp used as they are pretty easy to drive.

    Using them on the PS4 there's a USB dongle you plug into the console and they set up automatically. You can then store two EQ presets and flick between them with a switch.

    I find the virtual surround a bit "Meh" unless the game is designed to take advantage of them. Uncharted Lost Legacy really stood out in that department.
  • ozthegweat 27 Nov 2017 12:07:11 1,894 posts
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    After having a short obsessive phase where I had to read up on everything related to headphones, I thought about going all in (high quality audiophile-grade headphones, headphone amp, DAC), but having to get up to adjust the volume and having a cable dangling all over the living room put me off.

    I have now bought a Steelseries Siberia 840 last weekend, and after a few hours of gaming I am quite happy so far. That Dolby thing seems like an absolute gimmick, no difference in "surround" but noticeably worse sound quality.
  • beastmaster 30 Nov 2017 11:32:16 18,293 posts
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    I would definitely recommend the Klipsch X11i in-ear headphones. Lost my last set and was looking for an alternative but decided fuck it and got the same again.
  • Dr-Strangelove 10 Jan 2018 10:11:05 2,234 posts
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    Anybody have recommendations for bass heavy wireless headphones. Budget is around £100.
  • Armoured_Bear 10 Jan 2018 11:18:14 22,629 posts
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    Dr-Strangelove wrote:
    Anybody have recommendations for bass heavy wireless headphones. Budget is around £100.
    My recommendation is to not buy bass heavy headphones.
  • Dr-Strangelove 10 Jan 2018 12:46:15 2,234 posts
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    Is that because it obscures the mids and the highs? A known issue with bass heavy headphones.

    Care to recommend what you would use?
  • Ra_ra_rasputin 10 Jan 2018 12:55:39 327 posts
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    @Dr-Strangelove the sony XB650 are Bluetooth headphones with 'extra bass' if that is what your after...

    https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/headband-headphones/mdr-xb650bt

    I got them but found it was too over the top but may be the kind of thing you're looking for?
  • THFourteen 10 Jan 2018 13:25:01 48,583 posts
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    Vmoda headphones are rather excellent base wise. Not sure how much they cost thesedays take a look on amazon?
  • Dr-Strangelove 11 Jan 2018 10:33:01 2,234 posts
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    @Ra_ra_rasputin Thanks for those, I've looked at them but prefer the Sony MDR-XB950B1 as they have 40mm dome drivers (the ones you've linked have 30mm drivers, also they don't quite fit over the ears as much as the 950s which completely cover your ears). Cheers.
  • The_Goon 7 Feb 2018 10:55:17 893 posts
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    So I got a QC35 for my birthday, and I am quite underwhelmed to be honest. Am I missing something perhaps?

    I guess it sounds good enough but it's not exactly astounding and, while the noise cancellation is good, it doesn't drown out *all* noise (which I appreciate is a limitation of the technology) and I wouldn't say performs much better, if at all, than Comply foam tips for in-ear headphones.

    By that, I mean when music/audio is playing of course. Noise cancellation on its own far outperforms noise isolation but I am hard pressed to hear external noise over audio in either case. And given the pricetag of the QC35, I query whether I should return them.

    Any thoughts are appreciated.

    I should add that the main scenarios of use are on my train commute and in an office.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 7 Feb 2018 11:12:07 11,523 posts
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    I think your expectations are too high in terms of noise cancellation.

    In terms of quality the QCs are in line with any other decent premium end cans, but well off audiophile grade (which you’d expect for the price). ‘Quality’ is subjective really though. It’s more abou identifying the kind of sound you like and buying accordingly.

    FWIW I just got the B&W PX and they’re my fav noise cancelling cans by a mile. The SQ is very much geared towards the sound I like and the noise cancelling is decent, and they look much nicer than competitors if that matters to you.
  • THFourteen 7 Feb 2018 12:16:27 48,583 posts
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    Don't know about the Bose's but i have a pair of Sony MDR-1000Xs and think they are fantastic.

    Way better sounding than my in-ears of choise (Sennheiser Momentum things).

    The noise cancellation does a great job of tube / train noise, but in an office of course i can still hear people talking etc to some extent, but i dont think, as kal says, noise cancelling can do anything about those non-continuous types of noise.
  • Armoured_Bear 7 Feb 2018 12:18:06 22,629 posts
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    You-can-call-me-kal wrote:

    FWIW I just got the B&W PX and they’re my fav noise cancelling cans by a mile. The SQ is very much geared towards the sound I like and the noise cancelling is decent, and they look much nicer than competitors if that matters to you.
    Are they only on-ear rather than over-ear?
  • The_Goon 7 Feb 2018 12:27:09 893 posts
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    You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
    I think your expectations are too high in terms of noise cancellation.

    In terms of quality the QCs are in line with any other decent premium end cans, but well off audiophile grade (which you’d expect for the price). ‘Quality’ is subjective really though. It’s more abou identifying the kind of sound you like and buying accordingly.

    FWIW I just got the B&W PX and they’re my fav noise cancelling cans by a mile. The SQ is very much geared towards the sound I like and the noise cancelling is decent, and they look much nicer than competitors if that matters to you.
    Perhaps. I was just expecting a world of difference between them and my normal Klipsch / gym headphones. I'm really not hearing the that much of a difference to be honest - I can't/barely hear external noise with both - which, given their price, significantly lowers their personal value to me.
  • Tomo 7 Feb 2018 13:00:25 15,917 posts
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    So! I just invested in my first pair of noise cancelling wireless headphones. My girlfriend got some Bose QC35s through work no less and I tried them on and they were rather lovely, so I set about getting my own pair.

    I ended up sitting in Richer Sounds for an hour with a pair of the Sennheiser Momentum 2.0s and a pair of the Sony WH-1000XM2s, switching the between the two with various different songs. The Sennheisers are quite old now - 2015 I think whereas the Sonys came out last year.

    Cut a boring story short, I ended up buying the Sonys.

    I think I actually preferred the sound of the Sennheisers slightly - they seemed to have a bit more detail*; some of the instruments sounded a bit clearer/vibrant. But, there wasn't a lot in it to my ears. FWIW, the QC35s also sounded pretty great to me.

    The build quality was what swung it for me in the end. I found the Sonys more comfortable (v important as I wear my headphones pretty much all day at work), the Bluetooth paired more easily and repeatedly, and best of all, the Sonys are touch-sensitive. So you swipe up on the right ear to turn the volume up, left/right to skip songs etc. Saves you digging out your phone on the tube or whatever. Genuinely useful, rather than just a gimmick.

    To give some context, I've come from wired in-ear Shure SE215s and also Beyerdynamic DT770s. The former were my commute headphones. In all honesty, I think the Sonys sound a little better: better sound stage, possibly a touch more bass. But, My amateur ears struggle to really tell the difference. The reason I don't regret dropping a small fortune on the Sonys is that moving to wireless headphones is a revelation. They no longer get caught on my chair when I turn to talk with colleagues or in my coat zip, and I don't have to do the dance of slipping the cord down my jumper. And, the noise cancelling is brilliant. The whirring lab freezers next to my desk have silenced. Loud conversations have become muted and much less of a distraction. The combination is just great.

    Oh, and the battery life is awesome. 30 hours on the box. I've gone a day and a half without charging so far, which is plenty good for me.

    I would be really keen to hear a pair of 300 quid /wired/ audiophile headphones, to see if/how much better they sound than my Sonys. But the added premium of the wireless/noise cancelling is justified for me.



    *Disclaimer: I don't really know what I'm talking about when it comes to audiophile terminology.

    Edited by Tomo at 13:01:48 07-02-2018
  • Tomo 7 Feb 2018 13:00:57 15,917 posts
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    Oh, and definitely go and try different pairs on in a shop. First time I've really done it at length and it was extremely helpful.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 7 Feb 2018 13:14:56 11,523 posts
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    The Sonys are very good. Personally prefer buttons on cans to touch controls which can be a bit flakey. You also look a little weird swiping away at the side of your head. But they are good and the SQ is very natural.
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