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Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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SteJones 432 posts
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Registered 7 years agoMrTomFTW wrote:
That's not at all true Tom.
Yeah, cultural Marxism, as it referred to today by the right (and more commonly the alt-right) is NOT a behavioural tendency, but an actual conspiracy theory. First surfacing among neo-Nazis* in the 1990s, it's the belief that members of the Frankfurt School are using the political left to bring on the destruction of Western civilisation. To do that they have infiltrated academia, media and science.
It's used quite often in mainstream conservative groups to just mean Marxist ideas being applied culturally rather than economically. E.g
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/06/if-i-were-a-cultural-marxist-i-might-be-thinking-about-giving-up/
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB999719023436065651
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mal 29,326 posts
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Registered 20 years agoI don't see how that's a contradiction to what MrTom asserted. You could debate whether the label is a conspiracy theory, or simply a cheap label used to tarnish everyone with the same brush, but I'm not sure the difference is that great at the margins. -
SteJones 432 posts
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Registered 7 years agoMost of political debate is cheap labels used to tarnish everyone with the same brush. What do you think "alt-right" is?
You just notice it more when you sense it's being used against a position you might have.
But given that plenty of people in the humanities are quite open about applying Marxism to analysing different parts of culture, I'm not sure why that label would be such a problem:
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SteJones wrote:
A more politically correct way for white-supremacists to refer to themselves. Which is somewhat ironic when you think about it.
Most of political debate is cheap labels used to tarnish everyone with the same brush. What do you think "alt-right" is?
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Load_2.0 33,582 posts
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Registered 18 years agoIf you label me you negate me.
That is why you will find all the jars and cans in my cupboard carry no marking.
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Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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Registered 9 years agoSteJones wrote:
Err, a term that alt-right people use to refer to themselves and their beliefs? There are plenty of more unflattering terms we could use instead, if you'd prefer.
Most of political debate is cheap labels used to tarnish everyone with the same brush. What do you think "alt-right" is?
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Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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Registered 9 years agoOk, but as far as I know, nobody has said that "gatorgate" and "alt-right" are the same thing. -
There's also non-white white supremacists. It's almost like internalised racism is a thing.
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I'd say the alt-right definitely see GG as feritle recruitment grounds. GG practically worship Milo for example. And racist groups such as Stormfront have been using it as such since the beginning.
AS for black members of the KKK... It happens: http://www.thenewsnerd.com/local/black-men-start-kkk-chapter/ -
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Registered 9 years agoOh, there's definitely overlap between the groups. But they're not the same thing. -
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Registered 7 years agoMrTomFTW wrote:
Dude, that just sounds like you're trying to paper over the fact that there's counter-evidence that particular groups are actually white supremacists.
There's also non-white white supremacists. It's almost like internalised racism is a thing.
For an example (of internalised racism), check out that "Latinos for Trump" guy in the Trump thread.
It sounds like creationist christians saying "god put dinosaur fossils there to test our faith". It's technically possible to come up with explanations that force anything to be consistent but it is massively straining credulity.
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Registered 7 years agoMrTomFTW wrote:
Well god knows why they actually joined the KKK, but if you read their explanation, they're clearly not internalised racists (assuming that's a thing).
Yes, the KKK. As mentioned a few posts above.
They say they want as many people of their community (the black one they're complaining about) to join their cause so they can fix Chicago.
The only weird thing there is that they've bizarrely just agreed to call themselves the KKK and have apparently accepted that it's no longer about racism. They're just well intentioned idiots! -
Oh those crazy kids. Joining the KKK for well-intended reasons other than racism. What japes will they get up to next? Perhaps join a local Nazi party to help out the local Jewish community. -
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Registered 7 years agoWell because the KKK had a strong emphasis on christianity too. So they're grabbing hold of that part, probably just because they don't know much better and are incredibly unskilled at PR.
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Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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Registered 9 years agoNo offence to them (well, maybe a little), but if they joined the KKK without knowing about the whole race thing, they're even dumber than they would be for joining them in full knowledge. -
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Registered 12 years agoRegardless of who posted it, the guy in the video is courageous and makes a bunch of valid points. -
I hate youtube links posted with no context. I get that there is Islam context but at least post some kind of reference to what this specific video might be about. -
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Wow, you do live in your own world because that's not what he's saying at all.
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