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The problem with trying to integrate X-Men into MCU is that they've already put a couple of X-Men stalwarts in and gone to great lengths to explain they're not mutants. Mutants don't exist in the MCU, so they either do annoying retcons and go like "oh they've been hiding away all this time, just no-one knew about them", do something jarring like "AND SUDDENLY MUTATIONS HAPPENED" or completely change the origins. I suppose with enough time and various MCU actors quitting (think both Hemsworth and Downey Jr have said they're out after Infinity War) they could just do a DOFP and do nonsense timetravel to wipe everything out and do everything anew. |
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I like the cinematic tone of Xmen up to now so I'd be keen on them being separate to the rest of the MCU. I'm hoping that if they continue on then this will be just another hiccup.
It still seems a shame after they essentially wiped the last stinker out of the timeline.
Going too big maybe didn't help? Only a few have managed to keep all those plates spinning.
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Darth_Flibble 5,592 posts
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Registered 17 years agoNot sure how they fucked up the new film, its not like Brett Ratner is back. The independent gave it 4/5 but it reads like a promo piece
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You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoThe odd duff film doesn't matter. They got over Last Stand and Wolverine Origins. Get a new director in and all is well again. They should get Vaughn back, he's much better than Singer anyway. -
beastmaster 22,373 posts
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Registered 17 years agoThe next X-Men film will be set in the 90's. That's been confirmed.
They could be setting up for Dark Phoenix. I know they did it before but Singer didn't get to do his version which he was set to do with X3 before it all went to shit.
I'm going in opening night. Fucking running time is 2hrs 27mins. Pah! -
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Registered 16 years agoIt will be interesting to see whether or not this is worse than his superman. -
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Registered 15 years agoI'd be happy for Singer to go away now. X2 was ace but DoFP wasn't as good as FC I didn't think. -
I liked FC a hell of a lot but DoFP had the better Xmen for me.
Maybe they'll get the best of both next time. Go smaller, more intimate than the end of days scenario. -
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Registered 8 years agoI think they need somebody better as well. Singer is mediocre/passable at best and has been saved by the incredible acting talent and the source material. Which has more depth to it than most superhero lore put together. The source material has very strong parallels with the civil rights movement and the gay rights movement of today. It's got a lot of political and philosophical crossover which appeals to many. Plus, really fucking cool characters as well.
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Just watched Apocalypse.
Not too bad, went in with really low expectations and it beat those. A bit too much going on maybe, the section with Weapon X was a bit superfluous.
It's not great, but better than X-men 3. Which doesn't really say much, I know. Fassbender is pretty great, even if he doesn't do much in the last act apart from grimacing as he does his mutanty powers. -
Whizzo 44,810 posts
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Registered 20 years agoThe cleverest people in the film were the Polish coppers, shame one was a klutz.
It's alright but far too long and considering how many people Magneto has killed, seriously how many people did he kill in this, I have fuck all sympathy for his character any more.
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Whizzo wrote:
That's a fair point. I think there is a tragic element to his character, but the people he kills directly (like the Polish cops) or indirectly (during the carnage at the end) are basically disregarded. Xavier is seemingly pleased to just let Erik walk away at the end.
The cleverest people in the film were the Polish coppers, shame one was a klutz.
It's alright but far too long and considering how many people Magneto has killed, seriously how many people did he kill in this, I have fuck all sympathy for his character any more.
Having another heel-face turn at the end doesn't excuse him of his crimes.
Not sure if I enjoyed the Quicksilver scene this time around, seemed to go on a bit too long and it seemed to bring a tonal shift that didn't gel with the preceding or following moments.
There was a lot of criticism regarding the look of Apocalypse but I had no real problem with it. However, I did think Jackman looked ridiculous in the Weapon X costume. Might have been one of the times where they should have redesigned it from the comics.
The X-Men films have largely avoided big destruction sequences, I kinda hope they go back to smaller scale stuff after this. -
beastmaster 22,373 posts
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Registered 17 years agoDon't think it'll go smaller at all. Depends on his they handle Dark Phoenix and it's rumoured they'll be going to space. -
I hope they don't go to space.
The films (and the comics, actually) tended to work best when they had the human / mutant tension. It's an angle pretty much unique amongst mainstream comics, and the more fantastical and space based adventures tended to feel a bit less special, more like something any other superhero group would get up to. -
Kind of hope they go the Mr Sinister route, as hinted at in the post credits. Or maybe that could appear in the final Wolverine film, Richard E. Grant has been cast as some sort of scientist... -
I actually enjoyed Apocalypse a lot more than Civil War and BVS. I'd put it alongside Deadpool, I think. -
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You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoThey really need to stop rebooting these things only to immediately reboot them again. The last X-Men rebootquels were handled well but I'm really going to struggle to buy into them doing it again.
I'd be moderately interested in them doing a Sony and giving Marvel permission to bring them into their universe, but it really would be a clusterfuck. -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoIt may be on the cards, given the inhumans (the happy shopper x-men) has been put on the back boiler.
I can kind of see why they are planning it. They rebooted, then pussied out and dragged the original movies into it, infecting it with nearly 20 years of back story and ever aging actors. I hope Logan draws a line under it. -
Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agoI actually think they need a clean slate. First Class was that, and then they tied it into Singer's universe because he just can't let shit lie, and that messed up that line of films too.
"Reconfiguring" the line again, but keeping it within the First Class films which is also tied heavily to the Singer films is just a clusterfuck of clumsiness. -
Not-a-reviewer 7,686 posts
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Registered 7 years agoSurely there are so many xmen characters they could use different ones to tell whatever crappy story they want to tell? I'm bored of the whole Charles and magneto thing where wolverine shows up thing. -
simpleexplodingmaybe 19,992 posts
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Registered 6 years agoI'm not opposed to rebooting X-Men. It's my favourite superhero franchise but the series is so tied in knots and carrying so much continuity baggage that I don't think they have anywhere left to go with the Fox X-Men Universe.
Trying to retcon the two timelines together probably does a job of telling all there is to tell here.
A new series with a clean slate done right could really tie in some interesting stuff. Or be a city destroying weightless cgi mess like most other superhero films are now. -
You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI haven't actually seen Armageddon yet but my assumption was that it just went back to the original First Class timelines and forgot about the original universe. Days of Future was a fun crossover but the end gave them permission to just carry on with the reboot from there. If they didn't do that, it's a huge fuck up. But yeah, I don't really want Armageddon spoiled as I'll probably watch it this weekend so just ignore me. -
DFawkes 32,785 posts
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Registered 16 years agoThere's a film coming up in the MCU where a certain someone is looking for a certain Gauntlet that allows them to re-write reality. I'm not saying they'd ever actually do that as I don't think there are any fans of massive reset buttons like that, but they could. They won't, but could.
I don't think the MCU even wants mutants any more so it's probably moot. -
Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agoYou-can-call-me-kal wrote:
Apocalypse
I haven't actually seen Armageddon yet but my assumption was that it just went back to the original First Class timelines and forgot about the original universe. Days of Future was a fun crossover but the end gave them permission to just carry on with the reboot from there. If they didn't do that, it's a huge fuck up. But yeah, I don't really want Armageddon spoiled as I'll probably watch it this weekend so just ignore me..gif)
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You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoWEVS 
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Baihu1983 14,378 posts
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Baihu1983 14,378 posts
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Registered 10 years agoLawrence on why she's coming back for a 4th film...
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/x-men/news/a837415/jennifer-lawrence-x-men-dark-phoenix-mystique-return/
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Maybe she needs a box office money maker after a couple flops? Other wise she has to lower her wage demands
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