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Piggy 20 Jan 2005 16:23:30 77 posts
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http://www.itv.com/news/index_1889265.html

Mob kill man in back of ambulance
12.36PM, Thu Jan 20 2005

A murder inquiry has been launched after the death of a man who was attacked in the back of an ambulance by a gang of up to 20 youths.

The victim had initially been injured during a fight involving the group armed with baseball bats and a knife in Bounds Green Road, north London.

He had suffered a head injury but managed to get to the ambulance, which was close by on an unrelated call to help an elderly collapsed woman.

As the victim sat in the back, several of the youths who had been chasing him then climbed in and assaulted him.

The victim, believed to be aged 26, was rushed to North Middlesex Hospital in a critical condition, but died later.

Scotland Yard said it is understood the man lived locally. He has not yet been formally identified.

An incident room has been set up in Lewisham and a post-mortem examination is taking place.

Police are keeping an open mind about the motive for the attack and are taking statements from those involved.

A member of the ambulance crew was also assaulted - though not seriously. He continued to treat the victim and managed to request urgent police assistance.

The suspects then made off. All those involved are believed to be of eastern European origin.

Three men were arrested shortly after the fight. They are in custody at separate north London police stations.

Anyone with information is asked to call 020 8284 4868 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

pjmaybe 20 Jan 2005 16:29:41 70,666 posts
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Christ, I used to live in Bounds Green...

Peej

fergal_oc 20 Jan 2005 16:32:05 2,764 posts
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All those involved are believed to be of eastern European origin.

now if that sentence doesn't help to start some race war around the country I don't know what will.

Deleted user 20 January 2005 16:32:33

pjmaybe wrote:
Christ, I used to live in Bounds Green...

Peej

Me too. There's always a lot of trouble with the various ethnic gruops round there. Greeks/Turks/Curds/Bosnians etc

It's dark, but don't assume it's random.

Decoded 20 Jan 2005 16:32:57 4,426 posts
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Saw this on London local news this morning. There's probably so little coverage on a national scale because it occured in scummy inner London. It's be different if it happened in a wealthy, upmarket suburb or somewhere in leafy middle-England. In the last six months there have been two murders 100 yards from my house that only made local news.

Dirtbox 20 Jan 2005 16:33:46 92,595 posts
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pjmaybe 20 Jan 2005 16:34:35 70,666 posts
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I went back to visit my old school a few months back (Bounds Green Juniors) and it was like a bloody demilitarised zone up there. EVERY single shop had massive shutters up, and the whole area just seemed to be sinking into a big black hole in the ground. Remarkably the main bit of the school (including my classroom) had survived for 30 years reasonably unscathed though...

Where did you live then Kalel?

Me - Whittington Rd

Peej

Dynamize 20 Jan 2005 16:34:41 1,672 posts
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That's a terrifying story, getting to "safety", only to have them follow you.
Murderers, and they assaulted ambulance crew, scum of the earth.

Juninho 20 Jan 2005 16:34:50 1,825 posts
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if you're gonna get a kicking, best place to be is an ambulance I suppose

oh hang on, he's dead

my attempt to lighten the mood has failed.

tannerd 20 Jan 2005 16:34:55 2,691 posts
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It was on Radio 1 news this morning...

Deleted user 20 January 2005 16:37:26

pjmaybe wrote:
I went back to visit my old school a few months back (Bounds Green Juniors) and it was like a bloody demilitarised zone up there. EVERY single shop had massive shutters up, and the whole area just seemed to be sinking into a big black hole in the ground. Remarkably the main bit of the school (including my classroom) had survived for 30 years reasonably unscathed though...

Where did you live then Kalel?

Me - Whittington Rd

Peej

Well, I actually lived in Southgate and Winchmore Hill, but it's very much my old stomping ground.

Green Lanes is getting really bad now. It used to just be the bits near town, but now it's dodgy all the way through Wood Green, Bounds Green, Winchmore Hill etc. Still, like DB says, you're not likely to be a victim of a random attack.

Dougs 20 Jan 2005 16:41:52 100,414 posts
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kalel wrote:
Still, like DB says, you're not likely to be a victim of a random attack.

I used to think that about Brixton. Until my flatmates got attacked for no apparent reason at all.

Spanky 20 Jan 2005 16:42:11 15,037 posts
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Race has something to do with it, it's probably some organised criminal gang madness. They're all fighting a turf war over london at the moment. There attacks are always brutal and end up with someone either dead or a vegetable.

Deleted user 20 January 2005 16:45:12

tengu wrote:

Spanky wrote:
Race has something to do with it, it's probably some organised criminal gang madness. They're all fighting a turf war over london at the moment. There attacks are always brutal and end up with someone either dead or a vegetable.

I'd call that more a gang thing than a race thing though.

It's both. Turkish gangs killing Greek gangs. Very West side Story.

/knife someone whilst doing a twirl

Spanky 20 Jan 2005 16:49:41 15,037 posts
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tengu wrote:
I'd call that more a gang thing than a race thing though.

Well sort of the gangs are all of one race, either fighting internally with each other or with another ethnic minority group. Like black and asian in harlesden. I'm not bothered by it really, i'd only be a target if i dis'd them when drunk and that ain't gonna happen because i live in enfield town which is bizarrely all white :T

Dirtbox 20 Jan 2005 16:55:42 92,595 posts
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RubyRed 20 Jan 2005 16:56:33 4,303 posts
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A lot of them are attacks amongst gangs of the same race - sort of a territorial thing I suppose. For example, a few years ago there was a murder in Kingsbury where a man was beaten and then burnt to death by some Sri Lankan fellas 'cos of some sort of tribal gang war. Tamals I think. But it's quite a common occurrence, though I think Project Trident deals with it all now.

Spanky 20 Jan 2005 17:01:23 15,037 posts
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They should genetically reengineer the Krays, they'll sort it out. Either that or bring Dave Courtney out of retirement.

mercury 20 Jan 2005 17:26:05 53 posts
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I thought Poles, bosnians and croats were all caucasians...how could this be 'race related' ?

Now if the victim was Asian or of African background then i could see it being race related [if the attackers were white atleast otherwise its most likely just a personal issue behind this].

sam_spade 20 Jan 2005 17:29:31 15,745 posts
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It's easier to say race related than to say gang/tribal/nationalistic trouble.

mooth-EcToX 20 Jan 2005 17:33:16 3,619 posts
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thats fucking sick

Spanky 20 Jan 2005 17:35:29 15,037 posts
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mercury wrote:
I thought Poles, bosnians and croats were all caucasians...how could this be 'race related' ?

Because it sounds better than Ethnic Minority Related

Some say the British are a race unto themselves so that being the case they are a different race.

The Oxford English Dictionary broadly defines the word as "a group of persons connected by common descent".

BBC

mercury 20 Jan 2005 17:44:29 53 posts
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Spanky wrote:

mercury wrote:
I thought Poles, bosnians and croats were all caucasians...how could this be 'race related' ?

Because it sounds better than Ethnic Minority Related Some say the British are a race unto themselves so that being the case they are a different race.

The Oxford English Dictionary broadly defines the word as "a group of persons connected by common descent".
BBC

Full British havnt existed since WW2 [ok, maybe a few pro-BNP toothless ones out in the countryside but thats it]. Since then we have had alot of Asian and African peoples come to help rebuild our country, so technically, any race can be a Briton nowadays. That includes Arabs, Indians, Pakistanians, Africans, Chinese east/west Europeans etc.

Edited by mercury at 17:45:48 20-01-2005

Spanky 20 Jan 2005 17:59:18 15,037 posts
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What? did the British suddenly become extinct? Blimey! Never knew that. I'll stick to my own definition thanks very much, i can tell the difference between a englishman and an eastern european so i'll just class them as different races.

I've travelled into the future, ended up in a parallel universe where this thread now spirals into an arguement about the definition of race. \o/

mercury 20 Jan 2005 18:08:07 53 posts
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Your definition of Englishmen is very different from mine then.

Imo anyone born in the UK is an Englishmen/woman, that includes a Muslim of Asian background to the toothless anglo knobheads that live out in the countryside who cant track how long theyre family has lived on this island, and anything in between.

Anything else imo leads to balkanism since it promotes division based on race and religion.

Edited by mercury at 18:08:23 20-01-2005

Edited by mercury at 18:09:35 20-01-2005

Deleted user 20 January 2005 19:03:34

Would you say a Scotsman is an Englishman?

sam_spade 20 Jan 2005 19:10:25 15,745 posts
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I think most Europeans just call Scots, Welsh and English; the English. Just because they don't see, or be bothered to recognise, a difference.

GrandTheftApu 20 Jan 2005 19:11:21 6,117 posts
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Am I missing something here? The incident happens in Bounds Green, so the police set up an incident room in Lewisham o_0

MikeD 20 Jan 2005 19:20:23 10,063 posts
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kalel wrote:
Would you say a Scotsman is an Englishman?

People get ridiculously upset about these things though.

I've been asked wether I was Belgian, Scandinavian, American, English AND German. (on seperate occassions obviously, I have a rather undefinable accent, apparently).

Did I care? No of course not.

I asked an English guy whose accent I did not immediately recognise if he was Irish.

It ended up with several people restraining him because he was trying to assault me. Seriously.

Deleted user 20 January 2005 19:50:43

I was just pedantic. I didn't really mean to make any point. If I'm being honest I don't really truly understand how it all works myself.

Seriously. Is England actually even offically a country? Surely my nationality is British? I know in football we all compete as separate nations, but I think that's just for historical reasons. In the Olypics we're Great Britain. And I don't really understand the difference between Britain and the United Kindom either.

I'm sure someone here, probably otto, is going to helpfully explain it all for me now, but my point is that it's complicated, and most British people don't really understand it, so I'm not surprised Europeans struggle with it. Not to mention Americans