Horrific Attack, but not even a mention on BBC 1.00 News Page 2

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  • MikeD 20 Jan 2005 20:19:59 10,063 posts
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    Instead of specific racist attacks on a group of people. Yeah, that's much better.

    I've seen it happen, over the years it's always different groups. First the polish, then the Turkish, currently the Maroccans. In Italy they have a problem with Albanian mobsters as well, which now means normal albanian immigrants have to fear for their life from attacks by outraged italians.

    trust me, vague references are preferable. As long as the government and cops know what's going down.
  • MikeD 20 Jan 2005 20:33:24 10,063 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    I was just pedantic. I didn't really mean to make any point. If I'm being honest I don't really truly understand how it all works myself.

    I know. I was just pointing out how seriously many UK people take it :-).

    I've always wondere why the UK is allowed to play football as several countries. The US doesn't. And god knows the Brits don't have enough talent to pull it off. The English team is decentish, but the Scottish/northern irish/welsh.......

    A combo would surely benefit them all!
  • skuzzbag 20 Jan 2005 21:36:41 5,950 posts
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    http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/britain.html

    "Where does the name Britain come from?

    The name 'Britain' is derived from the Latin name Britannia. The countries England, Scotland and Wales, were called Britannia by the Romans. In the 4th century B.C. the inhabitants were known as Pritani and under Roman occupation they were known as Britones.

    The term 'Great Britain' was first officially used in 1604 when King James I of England (James VI of Scotland) was proclaimed 'King of Great Britain'. Prior to this, it was used by some writers to distinguish Britain from Brittany, in France.

    Where does the name England come from?

    England used to be known as Engla land, meaning the land of the Angles, people from continental Germany, who began to invade Britain in the late 5th century, along with the Saxons and Jute."

    The land of the Angles eh? What a fascinating thought.
  • skuzzbag 20 Jan 2005 21:39:04 5,950 posts
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    MikeD wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    I was just pedantic. I didn't really mean to make any point. If I'm being honest I don't really truly understand how it all works myself.
    I've always wondere why the UK is allowed to play football as several countries. The US doesn't. And god knows the Brits don't have enough talent to pull it off. The English team is decentish, but the Scottish/northern irish/welsh.......

    A combo would surely benefit them all!

    What a facinating thought.
  • GrayFox 20 Jan 2005 21:44:21 1,698 posts
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    mercury wrote:
    I thought Poles, bosnians and croats were all caucasians...how could this be 'race related' ?
    Then English, germans, dutch, french and any other "white guys" are caucasians also. Because your sentence only fits in "A member of any of the white races of mankind." term of "caucasian". But, I guess you didn't ment that. Anyway in other then that "causian" doesn't relate to Poles in any way. Poles are Slavs. And yes, I'm Pole ;).

    Webster's Dictionary of English



    Slav

    (n.) One of a race of people occupying a large part of Eastern and Northern Europe, including the Russians, Bulgarians, Roumanians, Servo-Croats, Slovenes, Poles, Czechs, Wends or Sorbs, Slovaks, etc.




    Wordnet Dictionary




    Slav

    any member of the people of Eastern Europe or Russian Asia who speak a Slavonic language, speaking a Slavic language

    Wordnet Dictionary



    Caucasian

    a number of languages spoken in the Caucasus that have no known affiliations to languages spoken elsewhere, a member of the Caucasoid race, of or relating to the geographical region of Caucasia


    caucasian

    of or relating to Caucasian people


    Caucasian language

    a number of languages spoken in the Caucasus that have no known affiliations to languages spoken elsewhere


    Caucasian race

    a light-skinned race


    Caucasian walnut

    medium-sized Caucasian much-branched tree distinguished from other walnut trees by its winged fruit




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    Caucasian

    kaukaski




    Webster's Dictionary of English




    Caucasian

    (a.) Of or pertaining to the Caucasus, a mountainous region between the Black and Caspian seas., (a.) Of or pertaining to the white races of mankind, of whom the people about Mount Caucasus were formerly taken as the type., (n.) A native or inhabitant of the Caucasus, esp. a Circassian or Georgian., (n.) A member of any of the white races of mankind.
  • Spanky 20 Jan 2005 22:12:31 15,037 posts
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    GrayFox wrote:
    Caucasian

    medium-sized Caucasian much-branched tree distinguished from other walnut trees by its winged fruit
    I want some wings ;)

    Sorry if i came over a bit cunty, the definition of race confuses me, if i say the scottish are all a bunch of alcholic inbred scumbags(it's true) i would be called a racist, so are the scottish a race? No but it illustrates my point.

    I prefer to treat or at least speak of each different country as a different race for the sake of not getting into MikeD's situation. I have seen several incidents due to the same thing, some physical some just dirty looks(mistaking canadians for americans). I wouldn't go up to a Zulu and ask where in the Caribbean he comes from, actually strike that being scottish i have to keep my distance from them anyway(after an incident in a brixton pub, didn't know anything about our history on the battlefield at the time :T).

    I guess its down to what people believe themselves to be, the facts might say otherwise, but the fact won't stick a glass in your face ;)
  • archonsod 21 Jan 2005 05:29:16 208 posts
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    Spanky wrote:
    Sorry if i came over a bit cunty, the definition of race confuses me, if i say the scottish are all a bunch of alcholic inbred scumbags(it's true) i would be called a racist

    Yet they get to say the same stuff to me because I'm English and nobody accuses them of racism. (Well, they do run the risk of spitting out their balls...)

    I'm lucky. I always give my nationality as Mackem.

    It's one flaw of the whole immigration / Asylum policies we have at the moment. The government seems to think its okay to put people who have a known hostillity to people from another country next to each other. There is one street back in Sunderland which has Serbs one one side and Croatians on the other, all placed there by the powers which be. Mind you, the local BNP HQ is about two streets away...
  • Sid-Nice 21 Jan 2005 06:41:38 15,848 posts
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    archonsod wrote:
    I'm lucky. I always give my nationality as Mackem.

    It's one flaw of the whole immigration / Asylum policies we have at the moment. The government seems to think its okay to put people who have a known hostillity to people from another country next to each other. There is one street back in Sunderland which has Serbs one one side and Croatians on the other, all placed there by the powers which be. Mind you, the local BNP HQ is about two streets away...
    That must be the only decent street in Sunderland, the one with nee Mackem and Tackems. :)
  • marilena 21 Jan 2005 08:05:12 8,238 posts
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    GrayFox wrote:
    Webster's Dictionary of English

    Slav

    (n.) One of a race of people occupying a large part of Eastern and Northern Europe, including the Russians, Bulgarians, Roumanians, Servo-Croats, Slovenes, Poles, Czechs, Wends or Sorbs, Slovaks, etc.


    That's wrong though. Romanians aren't slavs. We are a combination between romans and the tribes that lived here before the roman conquest (the dacians). As far as I know, this means we don't belong to any specific race, because the romans that came here were only legally romans (ie they were roman citizens), but in fact came from all over the world. Also, you can imagine that in time a lot of other kinds of people settled here for different reasons (migratory tribes that decided to stop, hungarians brought here by the Austro-Hungarian Empire, even some turks from the times when we were more or less under their rule). So, you can't really place us in any category, although we do claim the roman heritage more than anything else.

    History lesson over. :)

    Edit: Removed italics. Then everything turned bold. Now, bold removed. Hopefully.

    Edited by marilena at 08:10:27 21-01-2005
  • GrayFox 21 Jan 2005 11:51:49 1,698 posts
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    marilena wrote:
    GrayFox wrote:
    Webster's Dictionary of English

    Slav

    (n.) One of a race of people occupying a large part of Eastern and Northern Europe, including the Russians, Bulgarians, Roumanians, Servo-Croats, Slovenes, Poles, Czechs, Wends or Sorbs, Slovaks, etc.


    That's wrong though. Romanians aren't slavs. We are a combination between romans and the tribes that lived here before the roman conquest (the dacians). As far as I know, this means we don't belong to any specific race, because the romans that came here were only legally romans (ie they were roman citizens), but in fact came from all over the world. Also, you can imagine that in time a lot of other kinds of people settled here for different reasons (migratory tribes that decided to stop, hungarians brought here by the Austro-Hungarian Empire, even some turks from the times when we were more or less under their rule). So, you can't really place us in any category, although we do claim the roman heritage more than anything else.

    History lesson over. :)

    Edit: Removed italics. Then everything turned bold. Now, bold removed. Hopefully.

    Edited by marilena at 08:10:27 21-01-2005

    I really just copy&paste this from the dictionary, Lady :).
    I'm not at fault over here ;). Anyway you made interesting read, thnx :).
  • Spanky 21 Jan 2005 11:53:05 15,037 posts
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    GrayFox wrote:
    Lady :).
    /chortles
  • gamingdave 21 Jan 2005 12:00:54 5,087 posts
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    archonsod wrote:
    I'm lucky. I always give my nationality as Mackem.

    I wouldnt call being a Mackem lucky ;)
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  • otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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    fergal_oc wrote:
    All those involved are believed to be of eastern European origin.

    now if that sentence doesn't help to start some race war around the country I don't know what will.
    Hmm. Fact is, the takeover of London crime by Albanian mobsters has been scarcely reported but is a serious problem. They should get it out in the open, veiled references to 'eastern Europeans' only helps the Daily Mail.
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