Ender's Game

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  • PearOfAnguish 8 May 2013 09:49:43 7,573 posts
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    The trailer for Ender's Game - the excellent SF novel written by a deranged homophobe - is here.



    It's cut to look like an action film, but I'm assuming the stuff about his brother and sister and the weird shit with the giant game is still in there. Kind of odd they seem to be fighting the aliens with F-22s one moment then they've got super-advanced space craft. And Harrison Ford really phoned in that voice over.

    Also: I'd stop watching at about 1:32 if you don't want a major money shot at the end ruined by the trailer. FFS.

    Still, on the positive side the battle room looks slick and there was no BWAAHH horn noise in the trailer.
  • nickthegun 8 May 2013 11:41:27 87,712 posts
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    The major problem is, as noted, Orson Scott Card is a complete cunt.
  • PearOfAnguish 8 May 2013 11:49:20 7,573 posts
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    PenguinJim wrote:
    I'm not watching the trailer (why does anybody nowadays!?), but I do think that the story was retconned with some sort of initial invasion of... was it China?... by the buggers, suggesting a (literally) atmospheric battle at the start.

    Might not have been a retcon, come to think of it. Might just have not been mentioned, or I wasn't paying attention.
    I haven't read the book in a little while but I'm fairly certain that's new to the movie - there was a war but I don't believe it was ever mentioned as being on Earth.

    nickthegun wrote:
    The major problem is, as noted, Orson Scott Card is a complete cunt.
    Yeah, that'd normally put me off but the novel is good enough to forget his lunacy while you're reading it.
  • Whizzo 8 May 2013 13:30:12 44,810 posts
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    I'll be watching it, I really enjoyed the book, couldn't get through Xenocide though, that was terrible.
  • varsas 9 May 2013 11:42:52 2,493 posts
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    PearOfAnguish wrote:
    And Harrison Ford really phoned in that voice over.

    Also: I'd stop watching at about 1:32 if you don't want a major money shot at the end ruined by the trailer. FFS.

    Still, on the positive side the battle room looks slick and there was no BWAAHH horn noise in the trailer.
    Agreed on all counts.

    I heard that the film isn't just based on the first book? Perhaps the money shot isn't actually at the end but I think it should have been completely avoided. The twist was clear for some but I wasn't really analysing the book when I sped through it years ago and it was one of the reasons I loved it.
  • Ged42 9 May 2013 11:58:28 7,985 posts
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    Harrison Ford always seems phoned in these days.

    I couldn't take the trailer seriously after I saw the name Asa Butterfield, all I could think of was Peter Serafinowicz's Butterfield skits.
  • disusedgenius 9 May 2013 11:59:05 10,677 posts
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    The twist was clear for some but I wasn't really analysing the book when I sped through it years ago and it was one of the reasons I loved it.
    Yeah, but it really needed all the internal detail about the years of emotional torment for it to really pay off. Not sure how they can fit that into a blockbuster.

    And God help them if they want to turn this into a series.

    Edited by disusedgenius at 11:59:27 09-05-2013
  • varsas 6 Aug 2013 18:20:34 2,493 posts
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    Trailer 2:

  • Deleted user 6 August 2013 18:25:37
    That's one hell of a spoilery trailer.
  • varsas 6 Aug 2013 18:55:38 2,493 posts
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    Unfortunately that appears to be the trend with all trailers and the reveals in the book were part of the reason it was so good imho.
  • Deleted user 6 August 2013 19:01:44
    It's only spoilery if you know what happens.
  • Deleted user 6 August 2013 19:11:12
    varsas wrote:
    Unfortunately that appears to be the trend with all trailers and the reveals in the book were part of the reason it was so good imho.
    Yes, "Luke I am your father" would be in an TESB trailer if it was released today. But I can't believe they actually spelled things out with text in that Ender's Game trailer. Bonkers.
  • MrWorf 6 Aug 2013 19:27:55 64,193 posts
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    To be fair I don't know anybody that didn't guess the twist in the book. But I agree that trailer is a little too revealing, O can't believe they showed the final battle :(
  • Deleted user 6 August 2013 19:32:27
    It doesn't even come close to spoiling the twist, and again, you'd only know it's showing crucial later parts of the story if you'd read the book, in which case you can't have it spoiled.

    Trailers have always shown bits of the film that are "spoilery" but they do it in such a way that you don't realise they're spoilers, which is the key. You're just seeing nondescript action type stuff. This one is no different.

    The comments in this thread complaining about the spoilers are ironically FAR more spoilery than the trailer is.
  • MetalDog 6 Aug 2013 20:02:12 24,076 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    The major problem is, as noted, Orson Scott Card is a complete cunt.
    If you avoid all creative enterprises created by cunts you'd have to avoid one hell of a lot of good music, books, films, TV shows, art, comics etc. Fair enough if you don't want money to go to the living talented cunts though.

    It's a real shame about Card. When I started writing with some kind of seriousness, I learned a lot of the basics by reading his essays on the subject, particularly viewpoint management. I was gutted when I found out what an arsehole he could be.
  • MrWorf 6 Aug 2013 20:14:59 64,193 posts
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    Which twist are we talking about here?

    the fact tha the battle drills weren't drills at all, or that the buggers learned that humans were sentient beings so never planned to attack the earth again?

    Edited by Razz at 20:16:12 06-08-2013
  • Duffking 6 Aug 2013 20:20:19 16,964 posts
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    Razz wrote:
    Which twist are we talking about here?

    the fact tha the battle drills weren't drills at all, or that the buggers learned that humans were sentient beings so never planned to attack the earth again?
    Yeah that. Seems pretty obvious from the trailer that he's actually in command. Also, he's not isolated in the battle room from superiors influence, which is a big change. And the whole 'you're the chosen one' shit was deliberately avoided in the book too. They gave him literally no inclination that he was special.

    Edited by DUFFKING at 20:21:24 06-08-2013
  • phAge 6 Aug 2013 20:52:29 25,487 posts
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    I read the book as a kid, and I'm currently 3/4 of the way through the Audible version. Card may be an absolute twerp, but the book is one of the best I've ever read - in any genre.

    The film will be utter, utter shit, of course.

    Edited by phAge at 20:52:45 06-08-2013
  • Tonka 6 Aug 2013 21:43:11 31,980 posts
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    I'm done wasting my time with faithful adaptations of source material I've already read.

    I prefer the WWZ way of doing it.
  • phAge 8 Aug 2013 19:41:35 25,487 posts
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    Finished the audio book (which wasn't Audible at all, but some other recording with great actors).

    Had almost an hour of commentary from Card at the end - very interesting to hear his take on the coming film (even if you have to wonder why he allowed this version to be made, when he turned down so many back in the day). He more than suggests that this will be a buddy movie (his words) with Ender and Bean as the main protagonists).
  • Deleted user 14 August 2013 18:21:29
    You'd think someone would try and silence Orson Scott Card's crazy with the movie due imminently, but maybe they're going for the "any publicity is good publicity" angle.

    Edited by meme at 18:21:49 14-08-2013
  • L0cky 14 Aug 2013 18:41:17 2,080 posts
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    meme wrote:
    You'd think someone would try and silence Orson Scott Card's crazy with the movie due imminently, but maybe they're going for the "any publicity is good publicity" angle.
    Well I wasted my time reading that, thanks. Caveat in paragraph 19.
  • Deleted user 14 August 2013 19:16:08
    Oh, that tricksy Card. Probably telling that it's pretty believable from him anyway, though.
  • altitude2k 25 Oct 2013 18:44:20 5,238 posts
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    "It's Harry Potter meets Star Wars"

    Way to kill any interest I had in this film, trailer voiceover guy.
  • varsas 28 Oct 2013 10:41:24 2,493 posts
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    I watched yesterday afternoon and thought it was a good adaptation although I've not read the book for years but it does lose something for being a film.
  • Whizzo 28 Oct 2013 11:00:36 44,810 posts
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    Off to see it tonight, hope the traffic is ok on the way home as 17:50 is potentially risky! :-D
  • Orange 28 Oct 2013 11:46:48 5,170 posts
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    It's enjoyable, not a classic though. Last Starfighter mixed with the Hunger Games more than Potter/Star Wars I'd say.
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