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I'm just wondering about this cloud thing - is this something Sony could implement to their machine, or is there something hardware/proprietary about it? Please let's not turn this into fan/flame wars - it's just interesting to know, from a technical point of view, whether this really is a unique feature for Microsoft. |
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JorgeLuisBorges 39 posts
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imamazed 6,322 posts
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Registered 11 years agoYes. No. -
It can do some stuff, but it's nothing Sony can't already do.
MS are making out its huge, when it really isn't.
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neilka 21,199 posts
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Registered 13 years agoIt's a meaningless buzzword used to describe pretty much anything to do with the internet. -
imamazed 6,322 posts
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Registered 11 years agoCloud Vs. Cell -
BillMurray 9,148 posts
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Registered 10 years agoJorgeLuisBorges wrote:
Any and all threads related to Xbox One and PS4 have been dumped on by fanboys from both sides. I expect this one to be no different.
Please let's not turn this into fan/flame wars - it's just interesting to know, from a technical point of view, whether this really is a unique feature for Microsoft. -
JorgeLuisBorges 39 posts
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Registered 7 years ago@SG59 You'd think Sony would have said as much - they were pretty quick to reply to the used game thing... I'm wondering why they haven't piled into this. -
mikew1985 14,512 posts
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Registered 11 years agoWell it is and it isn't meaningless, MS are one of the very few companies with such a massive amount of servers running.
Sony certainly wouldn't be able to just click their finger and have the same kind of sheer server numbers that MS already have. Even if they could, they wouldn't be able to afford it.
It could end up being used for cool things but it's most likely going to just mean dedicated servers for MP games - this is still an improvement on the way things are now though.
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JorgeLuisBorges 39 posts
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Registered 7 years ago@BillMurray Sing it to me bill! -
JorgeLuisBorges wrote:
They did a quote:
@SG59 You'd think Sony would have said as much - they were pretty quick to reply to the used game thing... I'm wondering why they haven't piled into this.
http://www.shacknews.com/article/79760/sony-of-course-ps4-can-do-cloud-computing -
@JorgeLuisBorges Cause it isn't as big a deal as MS are making out. Sony already have some cloud options on the PS3. So does the 360.
I suspect MS are trying to do the same trick as Nintendo. They know their console isn't as powerful, so they're trying to divert attention onto something else. With the Wii u it was the pandering Tablet pad, with MS it's the cloud.
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morriss 71,290 posts
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Registered 14 years agoNothing MS has in terms of the Xbox One is any good/as good as they make it out. The PS4 can do everything it can just as well, and if it can't do it then it's probably a feature that's superfluous and overrated. -
JorgeLuisBorges 39 posts
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Registered 7 years ago@Widge That's the one! I was just surprised I hadn't seen it before. -
Dizzy 3,639 posts
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Registered 16 years agoSony can do it but they probably don't wanne pay for it though...
It is unique since it pisses off the SDF.
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mikew1985 14,512 posts
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Registered 11 years agoSG59 wrote:
Hmm, Sony has a Gaikai - which is a very specific function being operated at a remote location, it's not even remotely close to having the kind of brute force that Azure has.
@JorgeLuisBorges Cause it isn't as big a deal as MS are making out. Sony already have some cloud options on the PS3. So does the 360. -
morriss wrote:
MANTRA!
Nothing MS has in terms of the Xbox One is any good/as good as they make it out. The PS4 can do everything it can just as well, and if it can't do it then it's probably a feature that's superfluous and overrated. -
roz123 7,112 posts
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Registered 9 years agoLarge clouds bring stormy weather -
EMarkM 4,471 posts
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Registered 10 years agoroz123 wrote:
But it's even colder in Birmingham...
Large clouds bring stormy weather -
mikew1985 wrote:
Wasn't comparing the two. A lot of what MS have said about the cloud is bull.
SG59 wrote:
Hmm, Sony has a Gaikai - which is a very specific function being operated at a remote location, it's not even remotely close to having the kind of brute force that Azure has.
@JorgeLuisBorges Cause it isn't as big a deal as MS are making out. Sony already have some cloud options on the PS3. So does the 360. -
JorgeLuisBorges 39 posts
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Registered 7 years ago@mikew1985 but is the "brute force" just the quantity of servers?
I could buy 300K servers (if i was disgustingly rich) if I wanted to - Is there anything more proprietary about they way they are planning to leverage those servers - or could Sony eventually just say 'fudge it - let's buy a shit-tonne of servers' and have their own Azure? -
mikew1985 14,512 posts
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Registered 11 years agoSG59 wrote:
Really, what have they said that was/is bull?
mikew1985 wrote:
Wasn't comparing the two. A lot of what MS have said about the cloud is bull.
SG59 wrote:
Hmm, Sony has a Gaikai - which is a very specific function being operated at a remote location, it's not even remotely close to having the kind of brute force that Azure has.
@JorgeLuisBorges Cause it isn't as big a deal as MS are making out. Sony already have some cloud options on the PS3. So does the 360.
All I've heard anyone talk about using it for is the driveatar shite and then the Titanfall stuff - extra AI characters in the world along with dedicated servers, allowing them to use all system resources available instead of having to account for the drawbacks of player hosting. -
JorgeLuisBorges 39 posts
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Registered 7 years ago@roz123 roz123 wrote:
well that depends... you need this http://cotonapp.com/
Large clouds bring stormy weather
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mikew1985 14,512 posts
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Registered 11 years agoJorgeLuisBorges wrote:
Its a number of servers - MS have a huge amount of data centres around the world as well as just the sheer numbers and have already heavily invested in cloud technology for other things - Office 365 et al.
@mikew1985 but is the "brute force" just the quantity of servers?
I could buy 300K servers (if i was disgustingly rich) if I wanted to - Is there anything more proprietary about they way they are planning to leverage those servers - or could Sony eventually just say 'fudge it - let's buy a shit-tonne of servers' and have their own Azure?
Even if Sony wanted to do something similar they wouldn't be able to afford it and they don't have the technology.
The cost of a server is much more than the inital cost of the hardware.
Add to that, that MS have been developing the Azure stuff to be as adaptive and flexible a possible and no I don't think it's something Sony could just throw a few servers at and be done with it.
They could probably try to get MS to rent them the use of their servers though
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SparkyMarky81 601 posts
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Registered 9 years agoThe scale of Azure means it isn't something that many companies would be able to get up and running, let alone afford to.
I'd also question whether Sony have the technical know-how at the present moment.
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mikew1985 wrote:
They've said only with the cloud could Forza learn your driving style. That's bull. There's been games in the past doing that stuff without the need of a cloud.
SG59 wrote:
Really, what have they said that was/is bull?
mikew1985 wrote:
Wasn't comparing the two. A lot of what MS have said about the cloud is bull.
SG59 wrote:
Hmm, Sony has a Gaikai - which is a very specific function being operated at a remote location, it's not even remotely close to having the kind of brute force that Azure has.
@JorgeLuisBorges Cause it isn't as big a deal as MS are making out. Sony already have some cloud options on the PS3. So does the 360.
All I've heard anyone talk about using it for is the driveatar shite and then the Titanfall stuff - extra AI characters in the world along with dedicated servers, allowing them to use all system resources available instead of having to account for the drawbacks of player hosting. -
Let's re-purpose this thread to a general Xbox One Cloud thread shall we? -
IronGiant 5,676 posts
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Registered 15 years agoThis thread is just what we needed.. There's clearly no information readily available on the web, if only we had some next gen console discussions already ongoing or better still if EG would do an article on it.
The cloud is just a lot of hot air
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morriss 71,290 posts
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Registered 14 years agoNo they haven't. Stick to PS4 threads. Your constant lay-critical presence in everything Xbox One related is tiring. You're getting a PS4, you've stated as much. Congrats with that, I'm sure it will be awesome - it certainly looks it - so just keep to talking about that, eh?
You're in the FP comments and every thread on the forum.
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mikew1985 14,512 posts
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Registered 11 years agoSG59 wrote:
Yes and all the stuff being done in Titanfall has previously been done by machines locally.
mikew1985 wrote:
They've said only with the cloud could Forza learn your driving style. That's bull. There's been games in the past doing that stuff without the need of a cloud.
SG59 wrote:
Really, what have they said that was/is bull?
mikew1985 wrote:
Wasn't comparing the two. A lot of what MS have said about the cloud is bull.
SG59 wrote:
Hmm, Sony has a Gaikai - which is a very specific function being operated at a remote location, it's not even remotely close to having the kind of brute force that Azure has.
@JorgeLuisBorges Cause it isn't as big a deal as MS are making out. Sony already have some cloud options on the PS3. So does the 360.
All I've heard anyone talk about using it for is the driveatar shite and then the Titanfall stuff - extra AI characters in the world along with dedicated servers, allowing them to use all system resources available instead of having to account for the drawbacks of player hosting.
I don't really get your point, MS whole selling point in everything that they have said about the cloud is that it can do extra things for you remotely so you no longer need to use local resources.
Perhaps you want to clarify what you mean but as far as I can tell you're agreeing with the point. -
Funny morriss, because you are a Microsoft flavoured mirror image of all that you despise. Blindly defending the XBox One at every turn, childishly posting sarcastic comments if anyone dares to criticise it, gloating in the PS3 thread over the network outage last week (then strangely silent when XBox went down), the recent list goes on.
I'd have a lot more respect for your posts if you could just introduce a tiny bit more balance, but you're utterly blinkered.
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