The Spartans

  • Nemesis 16 Nov 2002 21:02:14 19,742 posts
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    Channel4 this Sunday, for the History lot. Might be worth a look....

    http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/heads/outtakes/spartans.html
  • MrWorf 16 Nov 2002 21:06:17 63,835 posts
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    LOL!
  • Nemesis 16 Nov 2002 21:28:57 19,742 posts
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    Nah, I couldn't see the joke either. Razz has been on the funny sticks again ;-)

    As for being into History, I dunno, I do kinda like it, I don't know if I could sit and read books on it. Seems a bit too much like school to me. /runs away and hides/
  • MrWorf 16 Nov 2002 23:55:54 63,835 posts
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    Just brings back some memories mate.. just memories
  • Deleted user 17 November 2002 00:20:53
    Of what, dare I ask?
  • Nemesis 17 Nov 2002 13:35:42 19,742 posts
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    cuh, Sunday morning historians, I dunno

    I just seem to take in more if it's on TV or in a game. History books are dull, I just can't keep awake!
  • Nobby 17 Nov 2002 18:45:00 128 posts
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    History books are dull, I just can't keep awake!

    Surely not all history books? Have you read any of Antony Beevor's books? They're gripping to say the least, while being easy going enough to allow us Sunday Morning historians to keep going.
  • Nemesis 18 Nov 2002 09:06:59 19,742 posts
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    No, I haven't. I'm thinly read, as Izzard once remarked....

    The Spartans was really cool, glad I watched it now. Much better than Pyramid IMO.
  • Mr_Sleep 18 Nov 2002 12:58:03 23,487 posts
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    I watched some of it, inbetween playing on my comp, I found the fact that the Spartans didn't write about themselves to be a stumbling block for the show as a whole, how are they to produce an accurate historical display when they have to "improvise" now and then.
  • Whizzo 18 Nov 2002 13:12:12 44,807 posts
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    The other Greek cities probably recorded their experiences of Sparta so it wasn't all just guess work.
  • Mr_Sleep 18 Nov 2002 14:03:31 23,487 posts
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    Whizzo wrote:
    The other Greek cities probably recorded their experiences of Sparta so it wasn't all just guess work.

    How can one trust the word of the other Greeks, it has been documented that a great deal of the rest of Greece didn't like Sparta very much.
  • Deleted user 18 November 2002 14:10:48
    Good stuff. It proved Churchill's old saw that the further back in history you look the more you know about the present.
  • otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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    er... where's the joke?

    Nem, if you're into history and at all interested in the Spartans then you should pick up a translation of Thucydides. Hard to describe just how gripping his account is, even after two & a half millennia.
  • otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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    pff, lightweight ;)

    cuh, Sunday morning historians, I dunno
  • otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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    Virtually the whole historical record for Sparta comes from Athenian writers (some pro, some anti). It's as if the only historical records for Soviet Russia came from American sources (some pro, some anti).

    Anyway, stop mooching around here you lot and go & read some Thucydides. Honestly.
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