Finally broken the 1tb barrier :D

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  • deem 30 Jan 2005 15:58:26 31,667 posts
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  • lost-soul 30 Jan 2005 16:40:12 435 posts
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    Bloody hell guys, what are you doing with all that space? It can't all be filled with porn.

    It wasn't that long ago (8 years, I guess) I broke through the 1 gig barrier. I'm currently on 1/3TB.

    edit: I assume that you actually mean 1TB (terrabyte/1024gigabytes) and not 1tb (terrabit/128gigabytes).

    Edited by lost soul at 16:42:06 30-01-2005
  • warlockuk 30 Jan 2005 18:05:44 19,519 posts
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    I think spread across all machines I have 800Gb. So I'm not quite there.

    Or do you mean 1tb for one machine?
  • rev9of8 30 Jan 2005 18:06:14 66 posts
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    lost soul wrote:
    Bloody hell guys, what are you doing with all that space? It can't all be filled with porn.

    DVD rips? Essentially using their PC as a TiVo-esque high-end media server?

    One single-sided, double-layered DVD holds just under 10gig. You can rip that to the hard-drive in ten minutes then in future you can watch a disc without even bothering to go hunt for it or having to put up with drive-spin noise. Equally you can have multiple systems accessing various films on your hard-drive if you have a 100Mbit LAN with a switching router (as opposed to a simple hub). Or you may just use it for storing ISOs for easy burning in future, but even with DVDShrink it's still going to eat up 4.7GB of space.

    There's a reason why those online-based movie rental services where you can have any number of discs per month for a simple flat fee are so popular. A 300GB SATA drive with 16MB cache is only £130 - factor in the cost of movie rental (£20 per month) and you have the ability to store 30 movies for the cost of ten. Blank DVD media is also dirt cheap as well. And as it only takes fifteen minutes to rip a disc to the hard drive, well...

    I should probably add that I don't use rental servicesas a way of getting cheap permanent copies though I do have a number of movies that I've bought on sitting on my hard drive for convenience.

    Edited by rev9of8 at 18:08:18 30-01-2005
  • StixxUK 30 Jan 2005 18:50:02 8,755 posts
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    I've got only a 40GB hard drive, and I'm really struggling. I've had to cull my porn and music collections, I have to delete episodes of stuff after I watch them and all my music is basically stored on my MP3 player when I'd much rather have it sync-ed with my PC.

    It's a hard life :)
  • Deleted user 30 January 2005 19:03:27
    I feel scared to go over the 50% storage line, which since mine is 80 gigs, means that when ever I near the 40 gig mark I feel compelled to cut down on the stuff I don't need. I don't know why I do that though.

    Edited by cubbymoore at 19:04:09 30-01-2005
  • Lucy 30 Jan 2005 19:07:59 78 posts
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    1tb? You do know you can back things up to DVD-R ?

    People are weird or just have too much money.
  • warlockuk 30 Jan 2005 19:14:39 19,519 posts
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    Hard drives are relatively cheap... My 360Gb raided drives are often 90-90% full :D

    Sure you can burn stuff off, but it's still nice to have stuff that's easily accessible via, say, XBMC :)
  • ChocNut 30 Jan 2005 19:47:07 2,471 posts
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    I've only 300GB - but if I went back and said those three words to myself in the 90s I'd have laughed for a week!

    /Plays Ridgeracers

    /is definitely living in the 21st Century \o/
  • sephy 30 Jan 2005 20:26:08 4,036 posts
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    rev9of8 wrote:

    One single-sided, double-layered DVD holds just under 10gig. but even with DVDShrink it's still going to eat up 4.7GB of space.
    more like 8.4 and 4.38
  • Deleted user 30 January 2005 20:43:24
    sephy wrote:
    rev9of8 wrote:

    One single-sided, double-layered DVD holds just under 10gig. but even with DVDShrink it's still going to eat up 4.7GB of space.
    more like 8.4 and 4.38
    Hmmmm.
  • sephy 30 Jan 2005 21:08:55 4,036 posts
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    cubbymoore wrote:
    sephy wrote:
    rev9of8 wrote:

    One single-sided, double-layered DVD holds just under 10gig. but even with DVDShrink it's still going to eat up 4.7GB of space.
    more like 8.4 and 4.38
    Hmmmm.
    dang, a little over on the dvd-9.
    But I blame the confusion on the mention of ss/dl and 10gig in the same sentance :p
  • Khab 30 Jan 2005 21:13:22 6,583 posts
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    Heh. I ordered a 200gb S-ATA today, so I'll be reaching 320gb in a little while...

    Also, why pay £20 for a rental service when you can just get a 10MBit pipe for £30 and download as many DVD-rips as you like? :D

    /really needs more space
  • sephy 30 Jan 2005 21:23:59 4,036 posts
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    Khab wrote:
    Heh. I ordered a 200gb S-ATA today, so I'll be reaching 320gb in a little while...

    Also, why pay £20 for a rental service when you can just get a 10MBit pipe for £30 and download as many DVD-rips as you like? :D

    because although divx/xvid are pretty good quality, they are nothing compared to DVD-Video and all its associated advantages

    that and you can backup rental dvds :p
  • Deleted user 30 January 2005 23:03:42
    rhythm wrote:
    otto wrote:
    Oh and it's 80% full already. :)

    O_o

    So you've already got 800GB of data?

    /mind boggles

    I still don't know what you must be doing with that space.

    Same! I've only got a 40GB HD and it's only about half full and I've had my PC for about 3 years!

    What is it with you people??
  • Deleted user 30 January 2005 23:05:21
    Your right hand must be knackered otto.
  • sam_spade 30 Jan 2005 23:24:15 15,745 posts
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    You'll have to find away to keep your kid from learning about computers. Once she becomes a teenager that will be it. Deleted.

    "soz dad??!?!?! th'is d'wayne btw. i'm stupin ar'is tunite"
  • Phattso 30 Jan 2005 23:27:43 27,426 posts
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    For people who do more than play games and browse the internet, hard drive space is essential and gets eaten up in no time.

    Writing music, for example. If I'm mixing down, I'll be going to an uncompressed .wav for each track in the song. Doesn't take long to fill up hundreds of megabytes. Video is even more storage hungry.

    Because I work from home, also, there are things like CVS servers on my network for configuration control. They eat up a lot of space.

    So for the average user 40GB is ample, but for "power" users (never really liked that term) it's a drop in the ocean. Hope that answers the question of what we're all doing with the space.





    All that....plus pr0n. ;)
  • UncleLou Moderator 30 Jan 2005 23:28:42 40,723 posts
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    I delete almost everything I don't need immediately - I hate it to have too much stuff lying about - be it on my hdd or in my appartment. Forced this habit onto me because I am a big slob, and the less stuff there is, the easier it is to clean up. ;-)

    So, my 80 GB isn't even full. The only problem recently are indeed the digital photos, but even here I delete most of it.
  • st3ph3n 30 Jan 2005 23:42:54 2,833 posts
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    The big t. I'm dissapointed as I only have approx 800gb across the network. My laptop is just a pitiful 6gb drive, it's letting the side down badly. Although this PC is running 2x120 and 2x160 itself.

    Having said that, I backup most of my stuff to DVD. 4 Films on a DVD in divx format, stick it in the xbox and led XBMC play them. Lovely.
  • rev9of8 30 Jan 2005 23:45:26 66 posts
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    Khab wrote:
    Also, why pay £20 for a rental service when you can just get a 10MBit pipe for £30 and download as many DVD-rips as you like? :D

    The rental services are technically unlimited in the number of DVDs you can have, although you're usually only allowed to keep a set number at any one time.

    However, I distrust Xvid/DivX rips - the quality isn't as good and encoding artifacts really show up on a decent monitor at high-resolution, there are far too many people who don't know how to encode properly for toffee (you shouldn't be using Variable Bit Rate audio in avi's - the spec isn't supposed to allow it and they'll only work until M$ sorts out the various filters and codecs), the movie companies are getting more aggressive about seeding P2P networks with junk, given the dubious provenance of some of the codecs and tools being used the security guy in me wonders just how much quality control has gone into preventing buffer overflows which can then be used to run malicious code embedded in the file (remember when people once thought you couldn't ever get infected through viewing a jpeg?).

    Plus most rips either don't support all the extras, multiple audio layers, subtitles etc or whoever ripped them couldn't be arsed encoding them. This is an outright nuisance where those things are worth having - such as with Fight Club (Fincher, Norton and Pitt's commentary on the R1 DVD is hilarious), my Spaced box set, the Brass Eye DVD, The Day Today etc. If i do the rips myself I can get exactly what I want then I can dump it all to DVD-R if I need to.
  • Mike_Hunt 30 Jan 2005 23:45:31 23,524 posts
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    otto - if you find a way to stream video over wireless without giving yourself a massive head *please* let me know!

    I bought a hard disk yesterday to replace the 200gig SATA that won't work on my machine. I took 2 steps out of the store... and dropped it.

    It doesn't work - *shock*

    :(

    [MH]
  • sephy 31 Jan 2005 12:27:45 4,036 posts
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    /points out that a "pre N" set up will let you stream a dvd wirelessly without problems
  • Mike_Hunt 31 Jan 2005 12:35:37 23,524 posts
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    otto wrote:
    Eek! :(

    Can I make it even worse by telling you that my latest 200 gig Western Digital drive cost me under 60 quid?

    I'm really hoping the streaming thing works. I don't see why it shouldn't in principle. No problem networking between Macs using Rendezvous, should have full access to any volume mounted on another Mac on the network. The bottlenecks are the USB2 into the Mini, and the wireless connection (though it's G) - should in theory be fine for streaming video. We'll see. I've found that running all those hard drives off one hub and through one port can get a bit rough, but normally there's no need for more than two of them to be mounted at any one time.

    Well, still about a month to go before the Mini ships, they're massively backed up with orders. So don't hold your breath. :)
    Well a 200Gig WD drive is only £70, so not enough to make me cry!

    As for the streaming - it's not as simple as sharing a drive and accessing the file directly across the network. This will cause it to jutter and skip because of the way wireless works. All you need to fix it is to buffer the file by a few seconds.

    It's this buffering that is giving me a headache. The appears to be no easy way to buffer Video On Demand. From what I've read I have to set up an internet server, run some software on that, and then then access the files by typing in Http links (rather than just browsing though a hard drives contents). That said, I am using a PC and it wouldn't surprise me in the least to discover that you can do all of that with one click on a Mac!

    [MH]
  • Mike_Hunt 31 Jan 2005 13:09:45 23,524 posts
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    Check out VideoLan for a start (I'm sure it runs on Macs). I was able to get that running perfectly by setting up a stream on the server, and then tapping into it on the laptop, but it was a bit messy switching between both machines.

    VideoLan apparently supports video on demand, but I haven't been able to figure it out yet.

    If I figure out an easy way to do this I'll be sure to let you know. I *really* can't understand why you can't sent an option common media players to simply buffer a file by a few seconds - that would solve the issue instantly.

    [MH]
  • eviltobz  31 Jan 2005 15:07:38 2,609 posts
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    Mike_Hunt wrote:
    I *really* can't understand why you can't sent an option common media players to simply buffer a file by a few seconds - that would solve the issue instantly.

    [MH]
    damn straight. i find just playing a video on my mac from a hard drive on my pc to get annoying skips in it. not tooooooo bad, but regularly enough to be irritating, so i always end up copying episodes locally and playing them from there.
  • Mike_Hunt 31 Jan 2005 15:29:38 23,524 posts
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    Nice find otto! Nice find indeed. It would appear that QT could solve the problem. I'll not hold my breath until I've given it a shot though.

    I've found another potential solution that looks very cool indeed. If it works as well as I think I'll create a thread on it tomorrow. However, I'm quite sure otto would consider it the equivalent to selling his soul to the devil.

    [MH]
  • Mike_Hunt 31 Jan 2005 16:21:56 23,524 posts
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    Does QT support Divx and all of it's variants? The answer wasn't immediately obvious and I'm too lazy to hunt.

    [MH]
  • Mike_Hunt 31 Jan 2005 16:26:48 23,524 posts
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    otto wrote:
    Hmm, seems VLC also offers a decent solution - linkage

    If I'm understanding this properly, what I'd need to do there is simply to put shortcuts to all my video files in my root folder and activate the Apache server software on my Mini - I could then access video on demand from my powerbook using VLC via the terminal prompt. Not a nice easy GUI but eminently doable.

    edit - and if I had a bit more basic know-how presumably it would be easy enough to cobble together a page in html which would launch the appropriate terminal command. Anyone know how to use html to trigger a UNIX command? /clueless
    I've spotted that solution otto, and it apparently works. I've just had trouble configuring Microsoft's IIS webserver, so I gave up in the end. It might be much easier with Apache.

    You can just click on links rather than use the terminal. If I understand correctly all you need is a webpage containing links that point to the local file, for example:

    http://localserver/myvideos/hotlesboaction.avi

    Then all you have to do is click* (providing you've associated avi files with VLC.


    *I'm 99% sure this is correct - but I've not tried it myself thanks to IIS being a pain

    [MH]
  • Mike_Hunt 31 Jan 2005 16:31:06 23,524 posts
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    Actually, what's not clear from that link otto is why you actually need VLC. I think that if you configure the server in the manner they recommend then any media player that is capable of stream over the web should be able to play it.

    There's no reason you shouldn't use VLC of course, however I'm sure better media players are available.

    [MH]
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