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imamazed 6,708 posts
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Australia have no chance of winning the World Cup.
TV rules and European broadcasters wont pay top dollar for matches played in the middle of the night or early morning. -
Qatar is representing the whole ME really, so it's not really that fair to point out how little Qatar have specifically played in the WC. Iraq, Iran, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia have all made pretty well known WC appearances.
And I think there's a touch of hypocrisy when it comes to pointing out the issues that Qatar has as a country in terms of human rights etc. There are plenty of countries that have serious problems in these areas who have hosted in the past, not least Brazil who are hosting next year, or South Africa of course, but somehow when it's 3rd world countries the story becomes how wonderful it is that the WC gives these countries an opportunity to show their good side, and build bridges with the rest of the world. I don't know why the same can't be said for the Qatar one. If anything this is a chance for them to become more accepting of gay people and women etc. They'll have to.
I get that there are plenty of issues with there being a WC being there, and I'm not denying the dubious way they got it, but I do think there's also just a smidge of "legitimised" anti-Arab-World seeping through with a lot of the anti-2022 rhetoric. Again, a lot of the issue people are throwing up could equally be true of many of the countries that have and will host it, plus Qatar is being painted as something other than the relatively moderate and largely westernised place it really is. -
senso-ji 10,271 posts
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Registered 13 years agoWhether Qatar deserves to host the tournament or not is not their fault - there is a (however corrupt) FIFA voting system in place that decides who hosts the tournaments. Qatar invested millions into a bid, and it got accepted. If people are pissed off with the recent debate surrounding the tournament and it's surroundings, then they should blame FIFA and it's moronic members (including the English FA). -
twelveways 7,131 posts
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Registered 15 years agoimamazed wrote:
Better women's rights than Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
twelveways wrote:
Hmmmmm. No I'll leave it.
Qatar is actually one of the more progressive Islamic countries with regards to women -
imamazed 6,708 posts
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Registered 15 years agotwelveways wrote:
imamazed wrote:
Better women's rights than Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
twelveways wrote:
Hmmmmm. No I'll leave it.
Qatar is actually one of the more progressive Islamic countries with regards to women -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoAlipan wrote:
They are, apparently, threatening to sue FIFA if the World Cup is moved. They play football during the summer to avoid the main winter sports of australian hotpants and rugby, so if they are forced to play a winter schedule, no fucker will watch them.
Australia have no chance of winning the World Cup.
I wouldnt be surprised if murdoch was considering similar action. -
simsini wrote:
I'd be extremely surprised if Qatar wasn't exactly like Dubai by the time 2022 comes around, i.e. the average tourist staying in a hotel can behave pretty much exactly as they would on holiday anywhere else in the world within reason.
In any case, we'll see how moderate a country it is when millions of football fans arrive there looking for a beer or God forbid try and kiss their partner (gay or straight). -
If I can live with Home & Away being on Channel 5 I can live with a winter football tournament. -
simsini wrote:
What do you mean? Why do FIFA care whether people can drink there or not?
@kalel That would mean FIFA awarding a World Cup based on a huge assumption, rather than the more obvious huge bung.
Look, why do you think Qatar want the WC in the first place? Do you think it's all some massive ploy to get all the world's football fans in one place and then murder them all or something?
It's all about legitimising the UAE and changing the perception of the country in the eyes of the world. That's why they want it. They want businesses and tourists to go there. They're not going to achieve that by refusing to let everyone drink and locking up anyone kissing etc. By the time 2022 comes around Qatar is going to be awesome. -
twelveways 7,131 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI do think there's also just a smidge of "legitimised" anti-Arab-World seeping through with a lot of the anti-2022 rhetoric
Not in my case, I have had great times in Muslim countries/regions and there are plenty others that I would live to visit; I just can't imagine a worse place to hold an international football tournament and one of the largest gatherings of different nationalities in the world, people who aren't there on a cultural/luxury holiday or on business.
By the time 2022 comes around Qatar is going to be awesome.
I hope so...
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vijay_UK 3,961 posts
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Registered 12 years agokalel wrote:
+1.
Well, in principle I think a Middle Eastern WC is a good idea. There's never been one there, they play and love football, and football has a history of building bridges between different peoples and being a-political, so where better to have one?
And as I've said before, I think the weather issue has been overplayed. The WC has frequently been hosted in extremely hot and dry places. One of the California venues in 1994 was near the place on earth where the hottest ever temperature was recorded.
However, it's a shame the awarding of this WC was a result of obvious bribery, and that the handling of the weather issue has been so cack-handed. It's still a decade away, and yet it's already become a disaster, when it could have been one of the more progressive tournaments. -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoMy biggest grievance is that it was a bidding process in terms of how much money you were prepared to pay for votes.
It boggles the mind how corrupt FIFA are and it sometimes doesnt feel right being a consenting part of it. -
Did you see my last post? -
FWB 56,369 posts
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Registered 20 years agoLet it go on and with most countries sending third rate teams. Malta can win it. -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoGreenland could have won it if Santa had delivered sacks full of cash rather than toys. -
BTW all World Cups get awarded based on a promise of what they are planing to put in place. This is the whole basis of the very process. -
simsini wrote:
Maybe if you did visit you'd have a slightly less ignorant and borderline racist view of them?
@kalel That's exactly what I was replying to, although anyone who think 'Qatar will be awesome' cannot be taken seriously anyway. Fake cities with no history and culture don't interest me, it's why I would never visit Dubai for example. -
simsini wrote:
(Yet) again, Qatar are effectively representing the entire ME for this WC, or at the very least the UAE, so it's slightly missing the point to keep harping on about Qatar itself in the way you are.
@kalel When was the last World Cup bid won by a tiny country changing its whole make-up to cater for more visitors than its entire population?
'Borderline racist', oh dear! No open debate with you then, don't like someone, just insult them!
And I think it is quite offensive to just dismiss somewhere you admittedly wouldn't even consider going to as fake and culture less.
There are many valid criticisms to be made of how they won the bid certainly, and yes, the place itself, but bottom line Qatar want the WC to build bridges with the rest of the world. Perhaps we should be slightly less dickish about our reaction to that.
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