Ed Miliband the next PM for the United Kingdom Page 3

  • monkman76 24 Sep 2013 16:37:42 14,716 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    monkman76 wrote:
    @boo In your example the higher earner pays around 7.3 times more tax, on 5x the income. Seems fair enough to me.
    That doesn't sound right. Are you taking personal allowance into account?
    It doesn't sound right, I agree! Just going off this table here.

    http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/incometax/basics.htm#6
  • Psychotext 24 Sep 2013 16:41:25 64,971 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    That doesn't sound right. Are you taking personal allowance into account?
    Just ran some calculations for the hell of it.

    12k : 1022 tax

    24k : 4862 tax (2x vs 4.8x)

    36k : 8702 tax (3x vs 8.5x)

    48k : 13197 tax (4x vs 12.9x)

    60k : 18236 tax (5x vs 17.8x)

    http://www.listentotaxman.com/

    Edited by Psychotext at 16:53:12 24-09-2013
  • Deleted user 24 September 2013 16:43:21
    darkmorgado wrote:
    LetsGo wrote:
    darkmorgado wrote:
    Whenever Letsgo makes political predictions I just remember when he urged people to vote against AV as he thought it would guarantee being offered PR instead.

    Then I laugh.
    I did not say it would guarantee that at all.

    People said 'vote AV, even if we don't like it, it's a route to PR', wrong. The route to PR is saying no to AV and then forcing MPs to bring up PR.

    Luckily, more people in the UK had sense not to vote for a flawed system which AV is.
    Yeah, how's that going for you? Seen lots of maps talking about. PR recently? AV would have returned more proportionate levels of MPs for the different parties. The LDs would have used this gateway to further leverage a full move to PR.

    As it is, the Tories and the media framed it and continue to frame it as a vote FOR fptp, and a rejection of all other systems. You're in lollipop land if you think we have any chance of getting PR for at least another few decades. Well done, you played right into the Tory-led No campaign brilliantly.
    It's going great thanks, the majority of us saw through the attempt to get a piss poor system implemented.

    In AV, you can win without getting the most votes, it's silly.
  • monkman76 24 Sep 2013 16:43:23 14,716 posts
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    OK. Then boo's original figures were correct, including NI.

    /gets coat
  • YenRug 24 Sep 2013 16:44:39 4,553 posts
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    http://tools.hmrc.gov.uk/hmrctaxcalculator/screen/Personal+Tax+Calculator/en-GB/summary?user=guest

    A
    Your gross pay per year is 20,000.00

    For the 2013-14 tax year we have estimated the following:

    - - - - Per week - - Per month - - Per year
    Gross pay - - 384.62 - - 1,666.67 - - 20,000.00
    Income Tax - - 40.58 - - 175.85 - - 2,110.20
    National Insurance - - 28.26 - - 122.48 - - 1,469.76
    Total deductions - - 68.84 - - 298.33 - - 3,579.96
    Your take home pay - - 315.78 - - 1,368.34 - - 16,420.04
    B
    Your gross pay per year is 100,000.00

    For the 2013-14 tax year we have estimated the following:

    - - - - Per week - - Per month - - Per year
    Gross pay - - 1,923.08 - - 8,333.33 - - 100,000.00
    Income Tax - - 573.44 - - 2,484.87 - - 29,818.40
    National Insurance - - 100.28 - - 434.55 - - 5,214.60
    Total deductions - - 673.72 - - 2,919.42 - - 35,033.00
    Your take home pay - - 1,249.36 - - 5,413.91 - - 64,967.00
    Edited by YenRug at 16:52:11 24-09-2013
  • Deleted user 24 September 2013 16:44:49
    AceGrace wrote:
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    #StateRailCo.
    Didn't the last labour government promise to re-nationalize the railways as part of their manifesto prior to winning the election?

    That worked out really well.
    No and no.
  • Deleted user 24 September 2013 16:46:13
    Also you don't vote for a PM.
  • robc84 24 Sep 2013 16:49:10 13,562 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    monkman76 wrote:
    @boo In your example the higher earner pays around 7.3 times more tax, on 5x the income. Seems fair enough to me.
    That doesn't sound right. Are you taking personal allowance into account?
    Person A would only pay tax on around 2.5k due to personal allowance covering most of their earnings.

    Person B ends up paying nearly 30 times as much tax.

    Not saying it's right or wrong btw, just pointing out the facts :)
  • disusedgenius 24 Sep 2013 16:49:14 9,785 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    AceGrace wrote:
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    #StateRailCo.
    Didn't the last labour government promise to re-nationalize the railways as part of their manifesto prior to winning the election?

    That worked out really well.
    No and no.
    I think he meant the 1996 election.
  • monkman76 24 Sep 2013 16:50:18 14,716 posts
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    robc84 wrote:
    TheSaint wrote:
    monkman76 wrote:
    @boo In your example the higher earner pays around 7.3 times more tax, on 5x the income. Seems fair enough to me.
    That doesn't sound right. Are you taking personal allowance into account?
    Person A would only pay tax on around 2.5k due to personal allowance covering most of their earnings.

    Person B ends up paying nearly 30 times as much tax.

    Not saying it's right or wrong btw, just pointing out the facts :)
    Actually 18 times, as boo rightly stated in the first place :)
  • nickthegun 24 Sep 2013 16:50:42 77,813 posts
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    It does actually annoy me that people are desperately trying to make it into a presidential style face off between personalities.
  • Psychotext 24 Sep 2013 16:50:53 64,971 posts
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    simsini wrote:
    So the UK Plc credit card is going to be maxed out and beyond again, oh joy.
    Government borrowing is still up year on year isn't it?
  • Deleted user 24 September 2013 16:52:59
    sajasanman wrote:
    Shikasama wrote:
    Just means you're getting fucked by a different set of bellends.
    Yep, and voting will only legitimize the farce.
    Doing nothing about it and moaning will fix everything.
  • BeardedGamerUK 24 Sep 2013 16:53:40 2,184 posts
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    arials101 wrote:
    America has had it's first black president, but is Britain ready for it's first plasticine prime minister?
    Morph for PM!
  • Deleted user 24 September 2013 16:55:13
    simsini wrote:
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    Also you don't vote for a PM.
    Which makes me wonder why anyone keeps a Labour MP come election time. If your area is a dump, and is still a dump with a Labour MP, why do you want it to stay a dump?
    Cause Labour MP's in prosperous area's are unheard of.

    In other news all Conservative MP's have rich prosperous constituencies.

    Causality also means nothing.
  • robc84 24 Sep 2013 16:55:32 13,562 posts
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    monkman76 wrote:
    robc84 wrote:
    TheSaint wrote:
    monkman76 wrote:
    @boo In your example the higher earner pays around 7.3 times more tax, on 5x the income. Seems fair enough to me.
    That doesn't sound right. Are you taking personal allowance into account?
    Person A would only pay tax on around 2.5k due to personal allowance covering most of their earnings.

    Person B ends up paying nearly 30 times as much tax.

    Not saying it's right or wrong btw, just pointing out the facts :)
    Actually 18 times, as boo rightly stated in the first place :)
    Not according to my calculations... ;)

    Actually to be fair, he is right. I put in the wrong PA. My bad :redface:

    Edited by robc84 at 16:59:22 24-09-2013
  • Psychotext 24 Sep 2013 16:55:44 64,971 posts
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    simsini wrote:
    It's coming down now, but with all the free giveaways promised by these clowns, it's only going to go back the other way.
    You sure about that? This seems to indicate otherwise: http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/spending_brief_recent.php

    http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt

    I know there have been a few monthly decreases, but the overall picture is still trending upwards. Unless we're talking about different figures.

    Edited by Psychotext at 16:56:16 24-09-2013
  • BeardedGamerUK 24 Sep 2013 16:57:34 2,184 posts
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    @kalel How do you explain Thatcher then. Everybody hated her or at least said they did and she kept winning General Elections :/
  • Deleted user 24 September 2013 16:59:09
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    simsini wrote:
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    Also you don't vote for a PM.
    Which makes me wonder why anyone keeps a Labour MP come election time. If your area is a dump, and is still a dump with a Labour MP, why do you want it to stay a dump?
    Cause Labour MP's in prosperous area's are unheard of.

    In other news all Conservative MP's have rich prosperous constituencies.

    Causality also means nothing.
    Which is kind of ironic really since you would think a politician who likes spending public money would like to spend prosperous people's money and miserley git would like teaching econmic responsibity to the unwashed.

    I'm thinking this would make a great channel 5 documentry.
  • Deleted user 24 September 2013 17:00:59
    BeardedGamerUK wrote:
    @kalel How do you explain Thatcher then. Everybody hated her or at least said they did and she kept winning General Elections :/
    because when it looked like she was going to lose she endeared herself to the british public by doing the one thing they all loved to see. Going to a foreign country and giving johnny foreigner a bloody nose.

    Edited by whatfruit at 17:02:18 24-09-2013
  • rudedudejude 24 Sep 2013 17:02:17 2,368 posts
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    Ha, love all the posturing about will he won't he.

    Unless you sheep realised, it's a 2 party state. Of course he's going to to get in. Then tories will. Then Labour. Then the tories again. Repeat for 1,000 years.

    It's not really surprising when there's only 2 parties to choose from, that one goes into office, pisses the people off, and the other replaces it. Rinse, repeat. This is how it will be until the end of time. the natural order of UK politics.
  • TheSaint 24 Sep 2013 17:03:35 18,573 posts
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    @whatfruit

    Plenty of us had the misfortune to see what you originally wrote.
  • Deleted user 24 September 2013 17:04:21
    @TheSaint I thought it was a bit strong was going for an air of field marshall melchet
  • glaeken 24 Sep 2013 17:13:27 12,026 posts
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    @YenRug Funny I remember the same stuff being said about John Major and the answer being the same from some Tory suck up. With Major they also said he had a real presence about him that did not come across unless you met him in person. Rather handy attribute that for someone who comes across as dull as fuck on TV.

    Edited by glaeken at 17:14:40 24-09-2013
  • elstoof 24 Sep 2013 17:16:11 23,159 posts
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    So the op is inspired to vote because the party leader can read a scripted speech properly? Doesn't take much to convince you eh.
  • Dougs 24 Sep 2013 17:16:50 89,132 posts
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    Just can't see EM winning or even Labour having a minority lead. My instinct says Tory majority or another Coalition if they don't want to lead a minority Govt. The planets are aligning with better economic data in the run up.
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