One for the guitar players

  • mentat 6 Feb 2005 22:36:24 5,613 posts
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    I'm trying to learn a song at the moment and the tab consists of the following notes:

    ----------
    ----------
    ----------
    --0---0---
    ----------
    --3---3---

    Now unless I'm mistaken, that means the third fret on the 6th string (1st?) and the 4th(3rd) string open.

    How the hell are you supposed to play those two notes at the same time without the middle string getting in the way?
  • eviltobz 6 Feb 2005 23:18:41 2,511 posts
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    either finger & thumb or two fingers instead of a pick, or rest your fingers against the a string so it mutes it, you'll get a slight percussive sound, but not a note.

    technically, if it were tht way it should be tabbed as

    -
    -
    -
    0
    X
    3

    but never mind.

    oh, or you could do a hybrid picking thing or whatever it's called and use the pick for the low note and your index, ring or little finger for the high.
  • warlockuk 6 Feb 2005 23:30:28 19,519 posts
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    Which song is it? Might have been transcribed by a knob.

    In fact, it MUST be transcribed by a knob. Or auto-transcribed by software

    Because:
    -------
    -------
    -------
    ---0---
    -------
    ---3---

    Is the dipshit way of saying:
    -------
    -------
    -------
    -------
    ---5---
    ---3---

    A basic power chord shape. The 5th fret on the A string is (In standard E tuning) D. As is the open note on the next string.
  • warlockuk 6 Feb 2005 23:39:00 19,519 posts
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    Akeldama wrote:
    Depends what's following and preceeding.

    And there's a tone difference between an open note and the fretted one. So perhaps it's not badly transcribed.
    Yeah, it's an assumption based on what info I've been given.

    However, he mentioned the middle string "getting in the way", not "not muting a ringing note" or anything. My guess is he's loaded a MIDI into Cakewalk or something and is learning via the tab-view and it's doing that weirdness.
  • mentat 7 Feb 2005 10:31:45 5,613 posts
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    Right, well the song's (Good Riddance) Time of your life by green day, and that tab is from the official International Superhits guitar music book, so i'm guessing it's not been transcribed by a knob.

    I've tried muting the string with a finger, but i can still hear it, and i think i should be using a pick for it.

    I was trying the finger and thumb thing, and it was not very easy. Bearing in mind i've no talent at the guitar at all...

    I've been trying to learn electric for a while, but my fingers are too big and the strings hurt a lot, so i thought i'd practice on an accoustic for a while to get the hang of it and hopefully toughen up my finger tips a little.

    Maybe it's just not the best song to be attempting to learn? :)
  • warlockuk 7 Feb 2005 10:41:36 19,519 posts
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    mentat wrote:
    Right, well the song's (Good Riddance) Time of your life by green day, and that tab is from the official International Superhits guitar music book, so i'm guessing it's not been transcribed by a knob.
    You'd be surprised by how many "official" books are a pile of wank. If got an Iron Maiden one that reads like it's transcribed by a twat. If you know where the musicians play and stuff and see a tab that's just nonsensical to anyone - especially if you've seen the guy in question playing - then it's written by a bumfez.

    I've tried muting the string with a finger, but i can still hear it, and i think i should be using a pick for it.
    Dude, it's GREEN DAY. Just let that sink in. GREEN. DAY. If you ever need more than two fingers, something's wrong.

    Play it like I said. Trust me. Power chord. Punk(ette) - that's what it is. But to be fair, I'll check.

    Hmmm, don't see either. Have a butchers [link=http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/g/green_day/good_riddance_ver15_tab.htm" target="_blank">here,
  • mentat 7 Feb 2005 10:46:45 5,613 posts
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    warlockuk wrote:
    You'd be surprised by how many "official" books are a pile of wank. If got an Iron Maiden one that reads like it's transcribed by a twat. If you know where the musicians play and stuff and see a tab that's just nonsensical to anyone - especially if you've seen the guy in question playing - then it's written by a bumfez.
    Heh, well there is that, but owing to my total lack of talent, i have to believe it's true :)

    Dude, it's GREEN DAY. Just let that sink in. GREEN. DAY. If you ever need more than two fingers, something's wrong.

    Play it like I said. Trust me. Power chord. Punk(ette) - that's what it is. But to be fair, I'll check.
    I'll try that out tonight...

    Hmmm, don't see either. Have a butchers [link=http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/g/green_day/good_riddance_ver15_tab.htm" target="_blank">here,
  • Deleted user 7 February 2005 11:31:24
    Huge fingers=nilon string classic guitar. Easy. Much easier songs to learn than that. Try some Dylan, usually a combination of Am G F Em or some such. All Along the Watchtower (Dylan version) is Am F G F etc, easy.

    If that doesn't float your boat, how about House of the Rising Sun, Am C D7 F Am C E etc.
  • warlockuk 7 Feb 2005 11:37:42 19,519 posts
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    mentat wrote:
    I'll transcribe some more of the tab tonight if you like, and you can see if it sounds different etc.
    Sure. I'll have a check of the song as I'm not familiar with it personally - I think my GMail addy's on my profile thingamy, just email it there :)
    *EDIT - no need to post twice*
    Mr Sleep wrote:
    If that doesn't float your boat, how about House of the Rising Sun, Am C D7 F Am C E etc.
    Gah. You know that you're bored when you start playing a heavy metal rendition of House of the Rising Sun at your desk.

    Edited by warlockuk at 11:46:15 07-02-2005
  • warlockuk 7 Feb 2005 11:45:33 19,519 posts
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  • monkeyspasm 7 Feb 2005 19:30:21 2,971 posts
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    Isn't Time of Your Life a slow fingerpicked number?

    If it's the one I'm thinking of, then surely it's a thumb & finger jobby.
  • mentat 7 Feb 2005 19:42:36 5,613 posts
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    monkeyspasm wrote:
    Isn't Time of Your Life a slow fingerpicked number?

    If it's the one I'm thinking of, then surely it's a thumb & finger jobby.
    it is a slow number (ish)
    Basically you use the chord, but he picks strings rather than strumming the whole chord in one go.
  • warlockuk 7 Feb 2005 20:02:37 19,519 posts
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    Bung the tab segment to my email (and say where 'bouts it is in the tune)
  • Ivefoundgod 7 Feb 2005 20:07:05 564 posts
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    This song is all fingerpicked so forget about using a plectrum and muting the string or it won't sound right. It's not that difficult to play though Green Day have loads of easier songs.

    You need to use your thumb to play the bass strings(6-4) and your fingers for the treble strings(3-1) though I'd suggest doing some fingerpicking excersises and getting good at it before you attempt the song or you'll probably get very frustrated and give up.
  • warlockuk 7 Feb 2005 20:09:19 19,519 posts
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    Cool; that answers it then for ya - if it's all fingerpicked you should use two fingers to pick it. :D W00t!
  • mentat 7 Feb 2005 20:17:46 5,613 posts
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    warlockuk wrote:
    Bung the tab segment to my email (and say where 'bouts it is in the tune)

    Well i've not got the whole thing, but here's a transcript of the main 'riff':
    [code]
    |-------------------|-------------------|------------------|-----------------|
    |--------3----------|-------3-----------|-------3----------|-------3---------|
    |-----------0-----0-|-------0---0-----0-|-0-----0--0-----0-|-2-----2--2-----0|
    |--0--0--------0----|--------------0----|------------------|-0--0--------0---|
    |-------------------|-------------------|-3--3--------3----|-----------------|
    |--3--3--------3----|-3--3--------------|------------------|-----------------|
    [/code]
    you can see that there are several of the 'missing' string bits.

    I'm trying the finger and thumb thing, but i'm screwing all the other notes without a pick. :/

    It's not easy this guitar lark!

    Edited by mentat at 20:18:46 07-02-2005
  • warlockuk 7 Feb 2005 20:29:21 19,519 posts
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    *turns off Team America soundtrack for a sec*

    G and what looks like D... Yeah, you just hold the open G chord and play it with your fingers. And then move the low-end fingers to the C-shape (though you'd only have to use the note on the A string), and then move to what looks like a D-shape.

    Essentially - G open shape
    --3--(little finger)
    --3--(ring finger)
    --0--
    --0--
    --2--(index finger)
    --3--(middle finger)

    Just hold that shape and practice playing the first bar. Over and over. Then do the 2nd bar, then do both together. Over and over.

    Then move the index and middle finger one string up each and play the 3rd bar. Over and over. Once you got it down change to the D shape
    --2--(middle finger)-not used, don't even to do this 'un
    --3--(ring finger)
    --2--(index finger) (basically lift the middle and index and
    ----- move the index fingers 2 strings up)
    -----
    ----- *nb, the last note of bar 4 you'll lift your index finger

    Get the last bar down and then throw all 4 bars together - you might wanna run through and get used to the chord changes first if you're not used to open chords and then you're good to go. Again, that's at a guess and playing it having heard it once or twice ages ago on MTv
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