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Duffking 13 May 2014 23:38:36 16,964 posts
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So reading the show thread...

Great episode. The whore and the the no dick were in on some kind of scheme to get him free surely?

Or they may have known about the nights watch thing. Their actions seemed so out of character that it's either a scheme or bad writing. Anyway take your book cunting somewhere else.

Uh, perhaps I'm being unfair, but isn't it really really fucking obvious why they were acting out of character?

I mean, let's start with Shae. Tyrion got rid of her, she's really fucking pissed. Jaime himself says during the trial that Cersei's been canvassing everyone to ensure a conviction. Hence the Night's Watch deal. Last episode we saw Cersei buttering up all the judges. It doesn't take a massive leap of logic to conclude that Cersei has threatened Shae / given her money to take advantage of Tyrion upsetting her. She knows who Shae is - she points her out to Tywin at the wedding.

And Varys. Varys isn't a moron, he knows that Tyrion is going to lose the trial. There is nobody supporting Tyrion, so how suspiscious is it going to look for him to start sticking up for Tyrion? There's literally nothing in it for him.

Orange 13 May 2014 23:40:15 5,170 posts
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Cersei's constant smug knowing looks spoke for themselves, she knew full well what every witness was primed to say.

Bauul 14 May 2014 00:15:53 868 posts
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@DUFFKING I took Shae's actions to be mostly out of spite. She just didn't get that Tyrion was trying to save her life by white-fanging her (brilliant phrase I learned recently. I'm so with the times!). After all, he did say some very mean things to her when she (I think) genuinely did like him.

I reckon she didn't need very much coercion into betraying him. A woman scorned and all that...

Duffking 14 May 2014 00:18:34 16,964 posts
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Yeah, I find it interesting how different it's played out from the books despite ending up in the same overall place.

Shae seemed to blatantly be "just a whore" in book - she was clearly just with Tyrion for his money, making it easy for us to reason why she'd betray Tyrion like that. She seemed to actually like him in the show, so they really had to have Tyrion hurt her for it to make sense.

Wavey 14 May 2014 01:08:05 1,054 posts
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I think we have seen Shae true colours. Perhaps she did love him once, but theres always been something there that screamed untrust worthy to me.

Baihu1983 14 May 2014 11:36:53 14,378 posts
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With Shae its not what she's saying by the look giving the whole time. Especially her eyes.

Of course how they will explain her in Tywins bed is still a guess because in the books she was using Tyrion but the show has made it seem she truly loves him.

Baihu1983 14 May 2014 19:16:44 14,378 posts
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Reading the other topic it some times feels like people want/expect everything to be answered by the end of each episode rather than actually waiting.

PazJohnMitch 14 May 2014 19:26:46 17,276 posts
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Most TV shows do have a plot which plays out over an episode. There is an overall story but you could watch an episode in isolation.

GoT is an ongoing narrative with no end.

Rajin 15 May 2014 13:11:52 830 posts
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@PazJohnMitch

I prefer it that way, tired of shows like Supernatural that are to focused on telling one story in a episode. This often leads to a slow crawling overarching plot.

Lost had the best of both, untill it became clear that the creators had no clue how to end the serie.

Edited by Rajin at 13:12:31 15-05-2014

Salaman 21 May 2014 09:40:23 24,162 posts
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Great episode last night. I'm enjoying the series more than the books at this point.
It's a pity about the 2 week wait but hey, we'll get a nice big battle at the wall soon. :-)

PazJohnMitch 21 May 2014 10:54:58 17,276 posts
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They have done well to keep it interesting. Although I am fairly sure we are still on book 3 for the most part? (Or is it just King's Landing?)

Is Briane already doing book 4 stuff? I thought her adventures with Podrick were later?

So a lot of boring book 4 stuff is still to come?

Salaman 21 May 2014 11:37:55 24,162 posts
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I'm nto sure to be honest. I read the books and forgot most of what is in them and can't really make sense of what happens in what book and such.

I thoroughly enjoy watching it all play out in the series though. More than I enjoyed reading the book really.

Mola_Ram 21 May 2014 11:40:12 26,187 posts
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I *think* brienne is venturing into book 4 material, but not 100% sure.

Baihu1983 21 May 2014 12:05:55 14,378 posts
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Yeah her search for Sansa is from Feast but they added her finding out about Arya.

Another tease as well in regards to Shireen.

Duffking 21 May 2014 13:12:46 16,964 posts
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PazJohnMitch wrote:
They have done well to keep it interesting. Although I am fairly sure we are still on book 3 for the most part? (Or is it just King's Landing?)

Is Briane already doing book 4 stuff? I thought her adventures with Podrick were later?

So a lot of boring book 4 stuff is still to come?

Lots of boring book 4+5 stuff to come as they're planning to do both as one season of people walking places and conveniently meeting other characters.

Baihu1983 21 May 2014 13:57:24 14,378 posts
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ubergine wrote:
I don't remember Shireen ever amounting to anything in the books... Or anyone else either now I think of it.

So far no but I wonder if her royal blood will be used to bring Jon back? This would of course be the final straw for Stannis who is already getting impatient with her and The Lord of Light and TV Stannis has shown a clear love for her.

Duffking 2 Jun 2014 03:03:31 16,964 posts
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CRUNCH

Ged42 2 Jun 2014 22:17:30 7,985 posts
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Did anyone else enjoy seeing the reaction to crunch time from the TV only viewers, it's been so hard to not spoil that fight over the last few weeks.

Loads of good scenes in that episode and some fun hints at future stuff, like Baelish's chamberpot line. I was slightly disappointed by Jorah's exile, seemed to lack the punch that the scene has in the book, maybe just because it was overshadowed by everything else.

I also now want a House Bolton banner.

disusedgenius 2 Jun 2014 23:43:26 10,677 posts
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To be honest I think it lacks punch because that side of the water isn't as blessed as Westeros is in terms of acting chops.

Also: am I right in thinking that the series is starting to overtake the books in terms of the Sansa arc?

Duffking 2 Jun 2014 23:59:15 16,964 posts
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It is a bit yeah. I think they're streamlining it a bit. Plus y'know, there's been like 3 Sansa Chapters in 10 years

PazJohnMitch 3 Jun 2014 00:18:12 17,276 posts
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Ged42 wrote:
Did anyone else enjoy seeing the reaction to crunch time from the TV only viewers, it's been so hard to not spoil that fight over the last few weeks.

Loads of good scenes in that episode and some fun hints at future stuff, like Baelish's chamberpot line. I was slightly disappointed by Jorah's exile, seemed to lack the punch that the scene has in the book, maybe just because it was overshadowed by everything else.

I also now want a House Bolton banner.

Baelish's line drew a sly smile from me.

Daryoon 3 Jun 2014 15:31:28 5,912 posts
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I've avoided the show, but since everyone's been on about the head-splattering scene I felt obliged to see how bad it really was.

...why does the Mountain look like an angry Wayne Rooney, rather than some giant beast clad head-to-toe in armour?

Duffking 3 Jun 2014 18:51:28 16,964 posts
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Daryoon wrote:
I've avoided the show, but since everyone's been on about the head-splattering scene I felt obliged to see how bad it really was.

...why does the Mountain look like an angry Wayne Rooney, rather than some giant beast clad head-to-toe in armour?

To be fair he is 6 foot 8 and is apparently the 3rd strongest man in the world. The original guy they cast probably looked a bit better but he left the show. The second guy they cast was crap and just looked like a beanpole. It's hard to find tall people who are big too.

Edited by DUFFKING at 18:52:13 03-06-2014

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