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[maven] 5,799 posts
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Registered 18 years agoreviewer wrote:
At the moment you're trusting Google with your payment information...
There's no way I'd give money to eg for the site, not because I think all content should be free but because I don't trust any payment/personal details to remain secure.
Although I do have to say paying a cent for each forum page is a bit excessive. The content there is not really yours... -
You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoPOPTONES wrote:
Yeah I feel for EG also here. It is an unfortunate reality of business that certain models become outdated due to changing attitudes and behaviours of customers, and if you can’t or won’t adapt to them, you will go out of business.
Seems like this is all getting a little bit out of hand now... The ads are on the shittier end of things for sure, but this is all makes it sound like a crisis! I really do feel for the EG team. I hope they keep all of this in context.
This is the reality that EG and probably most similar websites are now facing (in fact most industries right now). The ad revenue model is being rejected by those that use these sites, and while we may well all be entitled, selfish, greedy twats for not supporting a free website that we all gain huge amounts from, it doesn’t matter. You can’t force a behaviour that your audience don’t want to adopt. You’ll just create a context for disruption.
I sincerely hope EG is able to pivot and find a way around this. Perhaps by leveraging the events side or something. They do seem to have a number of other things going on, which is good. Hopefully the website is still important and sustainable as part of that ecosystem, but perhaps not.
But I would seriously reconsider any strategy to force people to unblock ads. It will not work. -
Its not just that advertising is unsustainable though. Most people especially those of us who have been here a long time would turn off the ad-blocker if they didn't have the type of ads that caused the creation of the blockers in the first place. They push and push and push with how obtrusive and distasteful the ads are until people push back with a blocker. Once that is in place it is very hard to get someone to go back, especially when they seem oblivious to just how bad they are when it comes to ads.
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Jeepers 16,616 posts
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Registered 16 years agoSome tweeted something similar to the below a few years back:
Users: Please DoNotTrackMe?
Ad industry: Fuck you.
A little later...
Ad industry: Please don't Ad Block us?
Users: Fuck you.
You reap what you sow. And the ad industry sowed a fucking mountain of bullshit, so fuck them. -
You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI don’t have the data to back this up, but I suspect this would still be an equally significant issue even if all the ads were highly relevant, unobtrusive and incredibly tasteful. -
shamblemonkee 17,967 posts
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You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
It'd be an issue for sure but I dont think equally so. I cant be alone in getting that message turning off the ad-blocker, taking one look at the state of the page and turning it right back on again.
I don’t have the data to back this up, but I suspect this would still be an equally significant issue even if all the ads were highly relevant, unobtrusive and incredibly tasteful. -
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Just switched off uBlock again and I'm getting nothing but white space where the ads should show. Am on latest version of FF (on corp VPN but same on personal PC).
Also haven't come across those autoplaying massive wraparound ads in ages. All relatively reasonable stuff (or nothing at all).
Never once saw that EG notice either when it was enabled. Maybe I'm just "immune"??
Edit - unless this has something to do with the "do not track" setting in the browser. No idea.
Edited by SYS64738 at 12:56:49 02-06-2017 -
Oh hi guys I've been on holiday this week. Did I miss anythi...
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SYS64738 wrote:
Your AV/Firewall may have ad blocking.
Just switched off uBlock again and I'm getting nothing but white space where the ads should show. Am on latest version of FF (on corp VPN but same on personal PC).
Also haven't come across those autoplaying massive wraparound ads in ages. All relatively reasonable stuff (or nothing at all).
Never once saw that EG notice either when it was enabled. Maybe I'm just "immune"??
Edit - unless this has something to do with the "do not track" setting in the browser. No idea. -
'The next hand you deal may be your last'
Ummmmm ok... -
Spectral wrote:
Hmm could be, at work at least. On my personal laptop (W10 with default Defender only) I can indeed see ads but it's reasonably static ones only (although the top ad is usually pushing down the page after a sec or two).
SYS64738 wrote:
Your AV/Firewall may have ad blocking.
Just switched off uBlock again and I'm getting nothing but white space where the ads should show. Am on latest version of FF (on corp VPN but same on personal PC).
Also haven't come across those autoplaying massive wraparound ads in ages. All relatively reasonable stuff (or nothing at all).
Never once saw that EG notice either when it was enabled. Maybe I'm just "immune"??
Edit - unless this has something to do with the "do not track" setting in the browser. No idea. -
myiagros 1,501 posts
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Registered 16 years agoLooks like Eurogamer are going down the Google Contributor route, to pay to remove adds.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/sick-of-ads-now-you-can-pay-google-not-to-see-them-plus-sites-can-charge-ad-blocker-users/
This article mentions Eurogamer as one of 12 sites signed up to the scheme.
Edited by myiagros at 15:51:01 02-06-2017 -
nobloodyname 3 posts
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Registered 12 years agoInteresting. Not a fan of pay per view, would rather have a flat rate. But perhaps Eurogamer's implementation will be different. -
For me it would depend on if it counts the forums. If so then it'd simply work out ridiculously expensive. It'd definitely make me more picky about any articles I clicked on too. -
Your-Mother 8,173 posts
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Registered 5 years agoIf they're going to have users pay per page view, I can only assume the bullshit clickbait titles and meaningless "here's what Jeffrey Matulef read on Reddit" articles will increase tenfold. -
myiagros 1,501 posts
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Registered 16 years agonobloodyname wrote:
I wouldn't be keen on pay per page view either. Especially as the page view numbers the pop-up was presenting on Wednesday seemed to be wildly inaccurate.
Interesting. Not a fan of pay per view, would rather have a flat rate. But perhaps Eurogamer's implementation will be different. -
Not-a-reviewer 7,686 posts
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Registered 7 years ago[maven] wrote:
No I'm not, even if I were are you suggesting eg are as good at protecting your financial information as Google?
reviewer wrote:
At the moment you're trusting Google with your payment information...
There's no way I'd give money to eg for the site, not because I think all content should be free but because I don't trust any payment/personal details to remain secure.
Although I do have to say paying a cent for each forum page is a bit excessive. The content there is not really yours...
Edited by reviewer at 16:10:06 02-06-2017 -
how is it they find the worst way to do absolutely everything? -
Hunam 20,675 posts
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Registered 15 years agoPaying per page view seems like something a middle aged boardroom exec would come up with. -
Ghibli 259 posts
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Registered 9 years agoIt's like having to think twice about re-reading an Edge or Games TM magazine article. Weird idea. -
Stan546 1,343 posts
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Registered 12 years agoIs there not an Ad Blocker which tricks the site and advertising agency into thinking you can see it? -
Nazo 1,953 posts
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Registered 12 years agomyiagros wrote:
Interesting point from the end of that article: currently detecting adblockers without user consent is illegal under EU law.
Looks like Eurogamer are going down the Google Contributor route, to pay to remove adds.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/sick-of-ads-now-you-can-pay-google-not-to-see-them-plus-sites-can-charge-ad-blocker-users/
This article mentions Eurogamer as one of 12 sites signed up to the scheme. -
myiagros 1,501 posts
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Registered 16 years agoNazo wrote:
Presumably this should therefore only allow Google to do this outside of the EU for now, until the mentioned announced proposal is passed.
myiagros wrote:
Interesting point from the end of that article: currently detecting adblockers without user consent is illegal under EU law.
Looks like Eurogamer are going down the Google Contributor route, to pay to remove adds.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/sick-of-ads-now-you-can-pay-google-not-to-see-them-plus-sites-can-charge-ad-blocker-users/
This article mentions Eurogamer as one of 12 sites signed up to the scheme.
Given that Eurogamer's primary market is within the EU, and that it operates from within the EU, this is presumably not something they should be implementing at this stage. -
You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoThe whole world is moving towards unlimited subscription services. Even Apple who popularised micro transactions are trying to shift people towards a sub. Maybe there is some genius implementation of this that makes it a much slicker experience than I'm imagining, but the idea of paying per page sounds even more regressive than advertising. -
I'd pay 5 quid a month for a ad free site. I whitelisted the desktop site the other day but use a blocker on iOS. Those mobile ads are terrible.
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