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  • Deleted user 16 December 2013 12:09:03
    A bit like being angry because, having accepted Michael's invitation to go for a midnight swim, you are now being fisted to death.
  • Zomoniac 16 Dec 2013 12:19:38 10,628 posts
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    Steve_Perry wrote:
    It's beyond me while people buy launch consoles. There's never anything to play for about 2 years at which point they are cheaper.
    Because shiny. There's no logical justification for my always getting swept up in launch hype and needing the latest console, but it always happens. My PS4 has been sidelined whilst I go back to Saints Row IV, but I don't regret getting it straight away.
  • Deleted user 16 December 2013 12:23:15
    @dutchspeededup

    Not really. I genuinely thought between Kaz, Yoshida, Trenton and House they'd be smart enough to realise the removal of b/c was going to be a silently contentious issue for early adopters and aggressively exploit the x86 catalogue (and development ease claims) in the first months to show their hardware strategy wasn't just cynical gimmicky bullshit.
  • monkman76 16 Dec 2013 12:26:19 18,987 posts
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    @vizzini Explain what you mean by saying that you need to be always online to play Resogun.
  • Deleted user 16 December 2013 12:30:42
    @monkman76

    I never said that. I said digital. Ie I can't own the game. Merely get it through a perpetual sub or system like Steam(which isn't really ownership, more like a long rental).
  • Ignatius_Cheese Moderator 16 Dec 2013 12:31:06 11,104 posts
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    Everyone expects a console that only launched 2 weeks ago to have a catalogue comparable to a 6/7 year old console. Go figure.

    Consoles launch with a finite amount of games and resources. They are meant to tie you over until the 1st tranch of post-launch games.

    If this isn't enough, get another hobby?
  • monkman76 16 Dec 2013 12:34:03 18,987 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    @monkman76

    I never said that. I said digital. Ie I can't own the game. Merely get it through a perpetual sub or system like Steam(which isn't really ownership, more like a long rental).
    How is it a rental, if you pay for the game outside of PS Plus? When do you stop being able to play it?

    Are you saying that you never bought any PSN-only games on the hallowed PS3? I find that hard to believe.
  • Deleted user 16 December 2013 12:35:16
    monkman76 wrote:
    @vizzini Explain what you mean by saying that you need to be always online to play Resogun.
    Yes, please do, because I played it for hours on end the other day offline (and acquired it via the PS+ sub too). The only feature that doesn't work offline is (shock, horror) online leaderboards.

    And on what planet exactly do you think a remake of Defender weighing in under 0.5Gb is prime candidate for being released on Bluray instead of PSN?
  • TheMayorOfJugs 16 Dec 2013 12:39:32 6,489 posts
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    Jupiter, birthplace of the mighty Vizzini, where the scars of the great HDD space war are still freshly worn.
  • Deleted user 16 December 2013 12:42:14
    @monkman76

    Digital purchases aren't ownership, this argument has been done to death. I thought everyone was smart enough to see the slight of hand by publishers. If in 20, 40, 80years time, you can't take the game you bought and buy a 2nd hand working PS4 and play it, you actually don't own the license/game. You just rented it for a unspecified period.
  • nickthegun 16 Dec 2013 12:45:29 87,711 posts
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    Jesus
  • nickthegun 16 Dec 2013 12:45:48 87,711 posts
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    Or vizzini as he like to be called.
  • Deleted user 16 December 2013 12:48:46
    FuzzyDuck wrote:
    monkman76 wrote:
    @vizzini Explain what you mean by saying that you need to be always online to play Resogun.
    Yes, please do, because I played it for hours on end the other day offline (and acquired it via the PS+ sub too). The only feature that doesn't work offline is (shock, horror) online leaderboards.

    And on what planet exactly do you think a remake of Defender weighing in under 0.5Gb is prime candidate for being released on Bluray instead of PSN?
    @FuzzyDuck

    The same universe in which an 800mb Journey PSN game got a disc release.
  • MrTomFTW Moderator 16 Dec 2013 12:49:08 47,501 posts
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    Look, you all should know by now vizzini only deals in 0s and 1s. You fuckers are throwing 2s in and he can't understand it.

    On or off, black or white. No shades of grey. He's greyist.
  • MrTomFTW Moderator 16 Dec 2013 12:50:03 47,501 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    FuzzyDuck wrote:
    monkman76 wrote:
    @vizzini Explain what you mean by saying that you need to be always online to play Resogun.
    Yes, please do, because I played it for hours on end the other day offline (and acquired it via the PS+ sub too). The only feature that doesn't work offline is (shock, horror) online leaderboards.

    And on what planet exactly do you think a remake of Defender weighing in under 0.5Gb is prime candidate for being released on Bluray instead of PSN?
    @FuzzyDuck

    The same universe in which an 800mb Journey PSN game got a disc release.
    On the same disk as two other games, months after it's initial release.
  • TheMayorOfJugs 16 Dec 2013 12:52:04 6,489 posts
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    MrTomFTW wrote:
    Look, you all should know by now vizzini only deals in 0s and 1s. You fuckers are throwing 2s in and he can't understand it.

    On or off, black or white. No shades of grey. He's greyist.
    All I can think of is 50 shades of vizzini now.
    Ethernet port penetration everwurrrrrr
  • Deleted user 16 December 2013 12:53:40
    But the entire disc is still less than ¼ of a single sided PS2 DVD image and the late release was because of the massive catalogue of PS3 games launch on disc at the time. The Ps4 catalogue is completely anaemic, so they could release it by Friday on disc with flower and flow.
  • monkman76 16 Dec 2013 12:54:09 18,987 posts
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    @vizzini
    Why couldn't you buy a used PS4 in 20 years' time, log into PSN (once, to download it), and play Resogun?

    Why is buying Resogun on PS4 any different from buying Super Stardust on PS3?

    Why am I bothering?
  • Deleted user 16 December 2013 12:56:41
    @vizzini

    Journey being one of the most critically acclaimed games (along with loads of extras and two other games) on a console that has a 70 million+ install base vs. an extremely niche, score attack arcade game on a newly released console.

    As much as I love Resogun (highlight of the launch for me), there's is absolutely no way on Earth that a disc based release of it would be viable. Where's the outrage that you have to connect the PS3 to the internet to play Super Stardust HD?
  • Jeepers 16 Dec 2013 12:56:57 16,616 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    But the entire disc is still less than ¼ of a single sided PS2 DVD image and the late release was because of the massive catalogue of PS3 games launch on disc at the time. The Ps4 catalogue is completely anaemic, so they could release it by Friday on disc with flower and flow.
    Genuine question: Do you know you're mental?
  • andijames 16 Dec 2013 13:06:29 2,912 posts
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    Not really. I genuinely thought between Kaz, Yoshida, Trenton and House they'd be smart enough to realise the removal of b/c was going to be a silently contentious issue for early adopters and aggressively exploit the x86 catalogue (and development ease claims) in the first months to show their hardware strategy wasn't just cynical gimmicky bullshit.
    How the fuck can you put backward compatibility into an x86 architecture machine when the previous generation was based upon an exotic PPC architecture that no sod outside of Harvard could code on for the first year? Apart from actually including the chip in the new console and making it twice as big / twice as power hungry and twice the cost of course.

    Only a complete loon would consider this.

    Edited by andijames at 13:07:27 16-12-2013
  • sega 16 Dec 2013 13:07:17 908 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    @monkman76

    Digital purchases aren't ownership, this argument has been done to death. I thought everyone was smart enough to see the slight of hand by publishers. If in 20, 40, 80years time, you can't take the game you bought and buy a 2nd hand working PS4 and play it, you actually don't own the license/game. You just rented it for a unspecified period.
    Actually you do - it depends on who is selling. GOG.com, for example, maintain that you own your copy when you buy from them. What you seem to be worried about isn't your ownership, but the PlayStation 4's lifespan. In that regard it's no different to what has gone before.
  • morriss 16 Dec 2013 13:09:52 71,293 posts
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    Deckard1 wrote:
    Amazing! :'D
  • MrTomFTW Moderator 16 Dec 2013 13:11:44 47,501 posts
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    Oh boy!
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