andijames wrote:@andijames I'll leave it to dirtbox to explain to you how he'll be playing PS3 games on his PC in a few years, just like people are playing exotic Mips PS2 games or exotic NEC, PPC based Nintendo games. |
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sega wrote:
You are assuming I didn't already reject the Steam business model on PC and "home" console.
vizzini wrote:
Actually you do - it depends on who is selling. GOG.com, for example, maintain that you own your copy when you buy from them. What you seem to be worried about isn't your ownership, but the PlayStation 4's lifespan. In that regard it's no different to what has gone before.
@monkman76
Digital purchases aren't ownership, this argument has been done to death. I thought everyone was smart enough to see the slight of hand by publishers. If in 20, 40, 80years time, you can't take the game you bought and buy a 2nd hand working PS4 and play it, you actually don't own the license/game. You just rented it for a unspecified period. -
LeoliansBro wrote:
Thanks, I went back to fix the auto complete error.
vizzini wrote:
Factious?
To be completely factious about the software. -
MMMarmite 1,659 posts
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Registered 15 years agovizzini wrote:
No, don't pass the buck, we want you to explain it. We'll be able to understand/ignore (delete as applicable) it completely then.
andijames wrote:
@andijames
Not really. I genuinely thought between Kaz, Yoshida, Trenton and House they'd be smart enough to realise the removal of b/c was going to be a silently contentious issue for early adopters and aggressively exploit the x86 catalogue (and development ease claims) in the first months to show their hardware strategy wasn't just cynical gimmicky bullshit.
How the fuck can you put backward compatibility into an x86 architecture machine when the previous generation was based upon an exotic PPC architecture that no sod outside of Harvard could code on for the first year? Apart from actually including the chip in the new console and making it twice as big / twice as power hungry and twice the cost of course.
Only a complete loon would consider this.
I'll leave it to dirtbox to explain to you how he'll be playing PS3 games on his PC in a few years, just like people are playing exotic Mips PS2 games or exotic NEC, PPC based Nintendo games. -
RedSparrows understanding of backwards compatibility issues:
Magic Code A works on Magic Code Box A
Magic Code B works on Magic Code Box B
A =/= B
However, Magic Code C emulates Magic Code A and thus PC owners are the master race, mwahahaha etc -
andijames 2,912 posts
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Registered 14 years agovizzini wrote:
Why don't you let us in on the secret sauce Mr V?
andijames wrote:
@andijames
Not really. I genuinely thought between Kaz, Yoshida, Trenton and House they'd be smart enough to realise the removal of b/c was going to be a silently contentious issue for early adopters and aggressively exploit the x86 catalogue (and development ease claims) in the first months to show their hardware strategy wasn't just cynical gimmicky bullshit.
How the fuck can you put backward compatibility into an x86 architecture machine when the previous generation was based upon an exotic PPC architecture that no sod outside of Harvard could code on for the first year? Apart from actually including the chip in the new console and making it twice as big / twice as power hungry and twice the cost of course.
Only a complete loon would consider this.
I'll leave it to dirtbox to explain to you how he'll be playing PS3 games on his PC in a few years, just like people are playing exotic Mips PS2 games or exotic NEC, PPC based Nintendo games.
If you're talking emulation(?) then do you know how long it took to get a working PS2 emulator that didn't run slow as asses? How long do you think it would take to 'emulate' the cell? Don't you think that's what they're trying to do now with the Gaikai thing and look how long THAT's taking them! Should they have delayed the console until the BC was in? -
@RedSparrows
Oh as easy as that, I feel smarts now -
FogHeart 1,270 posts
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Registered 14 years agoTo address the original point.
Carlo wrote:
Last weekend I had to do the same thing.
How many weeks?
The PS3 has to go back in. ITV player,GTA V, GT 6.
Come on!!!!
I unplugged the HDMI cable from the PS4.
I unplugged the power lead from the PS4.
I plugged the HDMI cable into the PS3.
I plugged the power lead into it.
It was tricky for a moment, but I got there in the end! -
Trafford 9,358 posts
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Registered 14 years agovizzini wrote:
Oh cock off you lunatic.
Not that I ever unplugged the PS3 to begin with. But I'm now starting to wonder what is going on in the minds of Kaz, Yoshida, Trenton and House with PS4.
To be completely facetious about the software, isn't it amazing how they've brought the games for the players?
First off, I sort of expected these new consoles to launch software like a love child of the jaguar and game gear, much like the fully b/c WiiU, Wii, Ps3 did previously, as they lent on their previous gen catalogues for 12 months. But knowing, that being an early adopter gives you extra clout in slamming a substandard product to help it evolve(from actual first hand experience) sort of makes it mandatory to own early on, rather than being a thicky
But here is the dilemma. Sony rightfully made such a big issue about how the PS4 wasn't like the original X1 plan, but when you quickly assess all the ways you use its features and see how it directly differs from the PS3, you come to realise that the PS4 might actually be that product.
Many people may not have noticed this, because they'll have setup the PS4 and just used it with their broadband like a steam pc. But from the day I got my PS4, I've used it sparingly with broadband to test Sony's claims. I even kept the PS4 completely from the internet before I installed the day one firmware update just to make sure it was different from the X1.
On the face of things Sony might be at least half right, as it updated via USB as claimed and still played KZ4 without any internet connection being configured on the system. But after that, it is all downhill always online anti-consumer bollocks. For example, the system has one good game that is on the system so far: Resogun. So despite the PC hardware making it a small task to get hundreds of the games on steam ported before launch, by just hitting the re-compile button, as was the excuse for them sabotaging PS3 b/c, it turns out the only game you'll want, needs either an always-online PS+ subscription or you need to acquire it as a digital purchase(rental).
Normally in a console launch this wouldn't be a problem, as the current gen ports would normally be significantly better and b/c would fill in the library between new games, and game demos would be in abundance to impress you to go spend more money on games in shops. But outside of the decidedly current gen gouging ports at £55, there is literally nothing new to try or play now that I've finished the 3/10 KZ shadowfall and have no opportunity to buy Resogun without it being the same unsavoury Adam Ortho X1 solution.
I'm going to finish reading this thread (*edit play some more games) then make some thoughts.
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Since it takes at least ten years until your PC is able to emulate the games, and even twenty years later they don't run as well as on the original console, well there's no substitute for having the console in the first place. -
FartPipe 5,307 posts
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Registered 9 years agovizzini wrote:
I'm so pissed I can't put my VHS videos in my Bluray player.
@dutchspeededup
Not really. I genuinely thought between Kaz, Yoshida, Trenton and House they'd be smart enough to realise the removal of b/c was going to be a silently contentious issue for early adopters and aggressively exploit the x86 catalogue (and development ease claims) in the first months to show their hardware strategy wasn't just cynical gimmicky bullshit.
Move on dickhead. -
Carlo 21,801 posts
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Registered 16 years agoFogHeart wrote:
Except you don't get called an idiot for doing that, or are accused of not researching your console purchase, blah blah blah.
To address the original point.
Carlo wrote:
Last weekend I had to do the same thing.
How many weeks?
The PS3 has to go back in. ITV player,GTA V, GT 6.
Come on!!!!
I unplugged the HDMI cable from the PS4.
I unplugged the power lead from the PS4.
I plugged the HDMI cable into the PS3.
I plugged the power lead into it.
It was tricky for a moment, but I got there in the end!
Simple fact was it was pre-ordered back in June when Watchdogs was going to be in the launch, Killzone and Knack where being touted as the second coming, etc.
Also the gradual realisation that the PS4 was a games machine front and center to the detriment of stuff we've really got used to having in the home (namely ITV and BBC players, DLNA player, CD player, etc.), so it had to get plugged back in (so now I have a PS3 & 4 under my TV).
But then I suppose its easier to just assume something makes no sense than taking the time to try and understand someone's viewpoint. Nothing like a closed mind. -
OptimusPube wrote:
So what are you actually trying to say that refutes anything I said? What games should I be trying/playing/buying. I'm really struggling to understand you and the others through the sound of you all chowing down on the corporate c*ck.
vizzini wrote:
I'm so pissed I can't put my VHS videos in my Bluray player.
@dutchspeededup
Not really. I genuinely thought between Kaz, Yoshida, Trenton and House they'd be smart enough to realise the removal of b/c was going to be a silently contentious issue for early adopters and aggressively exploit the x86 catalogue (and development ease claims) in the first months to show their hardware strategy wasn't just cynical gimmicky bullshit.
Move on dickhead. -
Surely everyone understands that you buy console x and it has xyz games and abc features. If you want other games or other features you buy a machine with them.
Complaining a PS4 doesn't do something or play something after you have bought it seams a tad silly. The lesson is don't buy something till it has the games you want, for example people ordered one for Watch Dogs which was delayed. Well why did you still buy a console at launch if watch dogs was the motivation for buying the console ? Then moan you can't play the games you want to.
Edited by Sharzam at 10:03:14 17-12-2013 -
PenguinJim wrote:
The difference being I bought it expecting to like it for at least Killzone and to be a new device for the the 4K TV I'm eyeing up. And I expected the excuse for choosing x86 to result in a very fast catalogue of games arriving.
vizzini wrote:
Says the guy who pre-ordered and bought a PS4.
I'm really struggling to understand you and the others through the sound of you all chowing down on the corporate c*ck.
The corporations don't really care what is said on a forum as long as you're funding them, as you'd realise if you took that d*ck out of your mouth long enough to think about it.
Realising you've bought something that is way below expectation and then verbalising it on a specialist gaming forum is quite normal.
You are also wrong about the suits not caring about early adopter reaction. That's the only time they listen. Currently they can't manufacture enough to supply pre-launch demand, but when that demand is satisfied they are going to require word of mouth sales to keep the hype going. Presently none of the friends I've shown the Ps4 to have been impressed, and I haven't even bothered doing a game day for the rest, because it is a glorified brick without a PS+ sub or a few £55 current gen sloppy ports. -
Rodney 5,029 posts
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Registered 15 years ago@vizzini
In what way is the PS4 a brick without a PS+ sub that the PS3 isn't a brick without a PS+ sub?
And yes the PS4 is pretty much a brick if you exclude the $55 retail releases. Why are you surprised by this?
Edited by Rodney at 10:42:04 17-12-2013 -
Rodney 5,029 posts
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Registered 15 years agoAnd what is a game day? -
monkman76 18,987 posts
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Registered 13 years agoFor a 'current-gen sloppy port', AC4 really is an awful lot of fun. As is 64-player Battlefield. -
Rodney wrote:
My launch PS3 most certainly wasn't a brick (in functionality). It had GT HD Concept, lots and lots of demos for in development titles and still provided the ability for me to buy and play PS2 games like SotC and MGS3 SE that I hadn't got round to playing on PS2.
@vizzini
In what way is the PS4 a brick without a PS+ sub that the PS3 isn't a brick without a PS+ sub?
And yes the PS4 is pretty much a brick if you exclude the $55 retail releases. Why are you surprised by this? -
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