Kingdom Come: Deliverance Page 24

  • OnlyJoeKing 2 Apr 2018 13:15:32 1,134 posts
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    @DrStrangelove What annoys me about the Eurogamer review is that it's absolutely glowing, then basically pussies out of giving it the credit it deserves for being a superb game. For example, a few quotes:

    There hasn't been a medieval world this real and substantial since The Witcher 3. The sense of time and place it conjures is astonishing... Kingdom Come is the most believable adventure into medieval history I've ever experienced.

    the detail with which it has been recreated is staggering.

    The meticulous eye for detail spreads into the game's systems, the standout being the most realistic recreation of sword fighting I've seen in a game.

    Kingdom Come is shaped and spurred to life by a surprisingly entertaining story... There are some memorable moments - some touching, others very funny. There's a playfulness and irreverence underneath all the history.

    When Kingdom Come does succeed, it's peerless. The Elder Scrolls and The Witcher can feel flimsy next to the sophisticated systems and heft of history on show here.
    See, that's all spot on. But to then bottle it, citing a half arsed chat with a historian that tells us nothing and doing a bit of hand-wringing over some 'laddishness' which is a minuscule part of the game, was really pathetic imo.

    I realise this has been done to death here already. I'm only mentioning it now because I'm having such a great time with the game. Takes me a bit longer than others to get to the 40 hour mark, I guess!

    Edited by OnlyJoeKing at 13:21:36 02-04-2018
  • kendoji 2 Apr 2018 13:42:59 441 posts
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    This is honestly one of the most immersive and fun games I've played, right up there with some of my all-time faves.
  • DrStrangelove 2 Apr 2018 13:44:11 15,238 posts
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    @OnlyJoeKing

    The review wasn't all glowing though. It praised what it thought was great, but criticised what it thought wasn't. As any good review should. Rob criticised that it can be infuriating to play with mouse, he criticised characters, animations, voice acting.

    And no matter if he thought it was gameplay-wise perfect or not, he's free to voice moral complaints. In that case, he should just make sure to mention all other aspects in his review so everyone can decide for themselves.

    Which he did.
  • Darth_Flibble 2 Apr 2018 13:53:56 4,443 posts
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    DrStrangelove wrote:
    would've been largely ignored like in the case of Witcher 3, which also was 100% white
    But it wasn't largely ignored, some sites really had in for the game (kotaku and polygon to name 2) Even giant bomb were reluctant to say good things about the game in the GOTY podcast. (Bit like they read a view that Horizon zero dawn was "cultural appropriation" and were reluctant to rate it higher in the GOTY podcast again despite loving the game at launch!)
  • OnlyJoeKing 2 Apr 2018 13:54:40 1,134 posts
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    @DrStrangelove yeah, he's free to voice all that stuff. But by the same token, I'm free to voice that I think letting it detract from recommending the game was pretty pathetic. It should just be a 'to be aware' imo.

    The real shame for me is that such a sensational game isn't getting the credit it deserves. Because it really is unbelievably good.
  • killersrquiet 2 Apr 2018 15:25:05 3,189 posts
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    I'll happily pick this up when the price comes down.

    By that point most of the major bugs should be resolved hopefully.
  • mothercruncher 2 Apr 2018 15:30:18 18,018 posts
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    Just grabbed this second hand via some hot CEX, now for the mother of all patches.

    Anything to know before starting? Can I build a character thatís rounded or is it best to concentrate in one area, combat, trade etc?
  • challenge_hanukkah 2 Apr 2018 15:56:14 13,049 posts
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    You need this mod:

    https://www.nexusmods.com/kingdomcomedeliverance/mods/134
  • OnlyJoeKing 2 Apr 2018 16:10:21 1,134 posts
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    @mothercruncher you don't really need to specialise, you level up skills by using them. You start off basically crap at everything though, so to git gud you do need to practice stuff when you get the chance.

    The choice comes in choosing perks every few levels, and I'd say it's sometimes worth holding on to a perk point until the next unlock. Sometimes two perks at a certain level are amazing, but you'll only get one point when you get there.
  • mothercruncher 2 Apr 2018 16:57:54 18,018 posts
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    Cheers ears.
  • Rogueywon Most Generous Forumite, 2016 2 Apr 2018 17:08:40 9,336 posts
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    Keep meaning to go back to this now it's had a few patches. Isn't there a compulsory combat sequence on the main plotline which is almost impossible if you haven't been levelling up your combat skills up to that point?
  • MrWonderstuff 2 Apr 2018 17:56:04 3,326 posts
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    DUFFMAN5 wrote:
    MrWonderstuff wrote:

    P.S. 125 hours in now and still loving it. Pure escapism.
    Wow that is some serious time, have you completed or does it just have so much content!
    Not completed it yet - nearly there I reckon. There are quite a few missions- from the interesting to the banal - however, it's fun just to walk/run/trot/canter in the environment. The woodland/forests are the best I have ever seen and the ambiance within them is second to none - Witcher 3 is the close but, for me, Warhorse have nailed it.
  • Bichii 6 Apr 2018 09:07:08 3,457 posts
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    Any tips? I'm about to start. I read level up at the start in combat?
  • orpheus 6 Apr 2018 12:02:20 1,867 posts
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    @Bichii Leveling combat is critical yeah, but you don't get much chance early on as the story pulls you around by the nose (being ordered about by various lords etc. - you don't have to turn up when/where told to, but you will probably want to, if only for the roleplay). You'll have a few fights with very low level enemies before you get the chance to train but those should be doable.

    The main story will soon lead you to Neuhof. When you get there, you will eventually be asked to stab up two bandits as part of the quest. This bit is where everyone bounces off the game (myself included) because they are pretty damn tough. Ask Bernard for help if you can't take them solo. Once the Neuhof quest completes, you can go back to Bernard at the training square in Rattay and train as much as you like. If you struggle with combat, consider raising your mouse sensitivity (assuming you're on PC) to make selecting the 'directions' easier.

    Hope that helps.
  • Stickman 6 Apr 2018 12:07:20 29,986 posts
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    It never even occurred to me to try and fight the bandits without help, fuck that noise. I let the Captain do the heavy lifting.
  • orpheus 6 Apr 2018 12:11:59 1,867 posts
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    @Stickman Yeah wish I'd thought of that before wasting an hour (and gaining a few new grey hairs) trying to take them down! All the fights you have before that are easy, so the difficulty spike is really unexpected.

    Almost everyone I've known who dislikes the combat etc. is as a result of this one fight... it really puts people off. There's not even a hint to suggest you could ask for help, or that those two bandits are so much nastier than any of the others you've met up til then.
  • Stickman 6 Apr 2018 12:15:58 29,986 posts
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    Roleplaying a spineless wimp pays off! \o/
  • OnlyJoeKing 6 Apr 2018 12:33:15 1,134 posts
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    I spent so long pissing around exploring and doing stuff, by the time I got to the bandits I was able to beat them easily.

    So I think you can train with Barnard before the hunting quest? Worth doing asap imo, you need to train at some point. Fighting levels up strength, which is massive, letting you carry more stuff and so wear more armour.

    I spent a long time slowly lugging round loads of stuff to sell in the early stages, so probably also worth knowing that when you get a horse you get a massive portable inventory that you can freely move stuff between at any point. No real need to spend lots of time trying to make money through selling loot until after that point.
  • mothercruncher 6 Apr 2018 14:11:50 18,018 posts
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    Just at the start, running away- am I really supposed to just gallop along while the enemies fill me with arrows until I die?
    Canít work out what the game wants me to do, very frustrating. Iíve tried zig zagging, taking random routes through backyards, canít lose them.
    Right, letís try escape number fucking six!
  • Rogueywon Most Generous Forumite, 2016 6 Apr 2018 14:18:30 9,336 posts
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    That bit took me a few goes as well. It's mostly about stamina management. If you control your top-speed-gallop usage, the enemies only rarely get close enough to hit you. It's not great game design, though.
  • Stickman 6 Apr 2018 14:25:31 29,986 posts
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    Yeah, took me a couple of goes. Youíre battling RNG for how many times you get hit. As said, itís to teach you horse stamina management.
  • Stickman 6 Apr 2018 14:25:31 29,986 posts
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  • mothercruncher 6 Apr 2018 14:30:16 18,018 posts
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    Dear god, thatís one of the worst sequences in modern gaming. Trying to move left and right every two seconds, horse stubbornly trying to pull me back onto itís predetermined path, getting snagged on bushes, streams, turnips, bleeding to death ever more as arrow after arrow gets shot into me. All at a glorious 15fps.
    Finally realised I need to keep hammering ďgallopĒ every couple of seconds :/
  • up_the_ante 6 Apr 2018 14:56:59 1,400 posts
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    mothercruncher wrote:
    Dear god, thatís one of the worst sequences in modern gaming. Trying to move left and right every two seconds, horse stubbornly trying to pull me back onto itís predetermined path, getting snagged on bushes, streams, turnips, bleeding to death ever more as arrow after arrow gets shot into me. All at a glorious 15fps.
    Finally realised I need to keep hammering ďgallopĒ every couple of seconds :/
    Turn around to see what's attacking you and you immediately get stuck in a bush with sword blows raining down on you? Yeah I remember that part

    Edited by up_the_ante at 14:59:47 06-04-2018
  • mothercruncher 6 Apr 2018 16:39:19 18,018 posts
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    Itís where the, erm, ďnon-AAAĒ feel has shown the most so far. Much flakiness since too with dialogue not ending when skipping forward, even though the next bit starts, or people bumping past me and knocking me out of a conversation Iím having with someone else and into one with them instead.
    I can completely see the appeal though- I like the integrity with which theyíve tried to build the world. It genuinely feels fresh.

    On the OG PS4 though the framerate is making me feel queasy. I need to check the Digital Fpundey article but I suspect itís mostly in the late teens/ early twenties.
  • up_the_ante 6 Apr 2018 16:59:03 1,400 posts
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    It induces that nostalgia for pc games of years gone by where you could more easily see all the game systems at work
  • OnlyJoeKing 6 Apr 2018 17:02:22 1,134 posts
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    The framerate even on a decent PC still really chugs in some areas, so yeah not too surprised if it grinds to a bit of a mess on PS4!

    Seems to be worst in towns, and to a lesser extent when riding fast in the countryside. Thankfully when wandering around it's generally quite good, hopefully the same for PS4.
  • mothercruncher 6 Apr 2018 19:30:55 18,018 posts
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    Cheers- Iím hoping I can get out from the castle-y bit and just explore soon. Being lead around by the nose a bit at the moment as only a couple of hours in.
  • up_the_ante 9 Apr 2018 15:08:36 1,400 posts
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    A nice documentary about the weeks leading up to the launch of the game. Lots of talking about bugs, and Eurogamer makes a (very brief) appearance too.

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