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Source #1 Source #2 Source #3 All in the span of a week. Hot damn. Linux support is becoming more and more serious business. Valve is doing everything right at this point. The chances of Steam Machines failing are becoming smaller and smaller. Edited by Hexagon at 22:48:35 19-03-2014 Edited by Hexagon at 22:48:46 19-03-2014 |
Crytek, GOG, and Epic on board with Linux support
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Hexagon 352 posts
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INSOMANiAC 4,732 posts
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Registered 13 years agoThe userbase will be pretty big as its dual boot (But still no where near console levels)but the fact 99% of your games will be on windows gives you little reason to ever boot the linux version of SteamOS. The attachment rate to linux vs windows version of games will be tiny for years and may never take off unless the kind of performance enhancements Valve are claiming are true
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Registered 12 years agoINSOMANiAC wrote:
As indicated by Valve, the company is in it for the long haul. Valve has also had no issues with getting developers on board either, meaning that more and more developers will start supporting Linux. Practically every indie is on board already and there are a few big names to be found here and there as well. With more support and it becoming easier to create Linux clients, developers and publishers would be fools to not go for that extra few percent for the sake of profit maximization. The focus is on multiplatform support, and that is something that DirectX simply can't offer. Linux game sales are already dangerously close to Mac OS game sales despite the latter having far more market share. Crazy stuff.
The userbase will be pretty big as its dual boot (But still no where near console levels)but the fact 99% of your games will be on windows gives you little reason to ever boot the linux version of SteamOS. The attachment rate to linux vs windows version of games will be tiny for years and may never take off unless the kind of performance enhancements Valve are claiming are true
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Hexagon 352 posts
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Registered 12 years agoDirtbox wrote:
Garnering more support in the past year than all other years combined does not mean anything? Do you have any evidence for that claim regarding Mac OS users? As I have stated, Linux game sales are already dangerously close, in some cases even surpassing Mac OS game sales, and that with far less overall market share.
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Registered 12 years agoDirtbox wrote:
You doubt that anything worthwhile will emerge from it when companies that were previously against supporting Linux are providing Linux support (in Crytek's case even skipping Mac OS support) right here, right now? What are you basing this on? So far Valve has been playing its cards just right with no disasters of any sort. Things are already changing. Yes, it may take a number of years, but considering how these 3 announcements happened in the space of about 1 week, things are looking good.
That's only because valve have opted to use it fir their pretty pointless OS, but I seriously doubt anything worthwhile it going to emerge from it for up to a decade. -
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Registered 16 years agoLinux is going to win over windows again? Oooh, it's like the late 90s all over again.
For most people playing games on windows is too much of a faff. They're not going to rush to linux. Sure, SteamOS makes it easier by being standardized, but then you might as well get a console. Or go to windows, and have the benefit of better hardware support, and proper support for MS proprietary stuff like MS exchange, office, DRM based systems like netflix.
There is, from the end user point of view, no benefit from moving to linux based gaming.
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Registered 16 years agoKernel version in sig or gtfo.
Or various distributions etc.
Unless a firm were able to get behind a 'gaming linux' the way google were able to get behind a 'phone linux'. SteamOS is always going to be a few indie friends plus valve.
Although I'd love to dig out my old Neverwinter Nights Linux binaries and run them on the raspberry pi, but unfortunately things are not that simple. -
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Registered 16 years agoIf over time the support and streaming improves it could mean keeping a legacy windows box somewhere to run a few old games available. -
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Registered 16 years agoWhy do people keep banging the "linux is faster than windows" thing about? -
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chopsen 21,958 posts
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Registered 16 years agoHmm. Ubuntu is terribly bloated. If someone wants to rejuvenate an old computer with linux, there are far better distros to do that with. -
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Registered 15 years agoNot distros, desktop environments. Unity is heavy and unsuited to weak computers, but as a distro Ubuntu is no more or less resource intensive than others. That's what Ubuntu derivatives are for, anyway. -
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Registered 15 years agoChopsen wrote:
There's been some evidence that could be true. Too early to tell, not enought multiplatform games to really make valid comparisons, yet.
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Registered 16 years agodominalien wrote:
The fact that the distro maintainers for Mint claim that the Debian testing version of Mint has better performance than the Ubuntu one, despite being available in the same flavour of DE, would suggest otherwise.
Not distros, desktop environments. Unity is heavy and unsuited to weak computers, but as a distro Ubuntu is no more or less resource intensive than others. That's what Ubuntu derivatives are for, anyway.
It's also telling that valve went with debian and not ubuntu as a base for steamos. -
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Registered 16 years agoI'd guess that OpenGL can be more efficient than DirectX. -
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Registered 15 years agoChopsen wrote:
Well, of course they would say that.
dominalien wrote:
The fact that the distro maintainers for Mint claim that the Debian testing version of Mint has better performance than the Ubuntu one, despite being available in the same flavour of DE, would suggest otherwise.
Not distros, desktop environments. Unity is heavy and unsuited to weak computers, but as a distro Ubuntu is no more or less resource intensive than others. That's what Ubuntu derivatives are for, anyway.
It's also telling that valve went with debian and not ubuntu as a base for steamos..gif)
however, seeing as there can be huge performance differences between even different versions of the same distribution, as Phoronix shows time and again, I wouldn't read too much into it. These can be down to different versions of software, compilers or even compiler flags. In fact, it looks like Ubuntu is holding its own against Debian: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=debian_linux_ubuntu1404&num=1
As for Valve choosing Debian over Ubuntu for SteamOS, that could be down to any number of reasons other than performance. Actually, as I was looking for the link above, I found this: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU2Mjc . Draw your own conclusions.
Having said all that, I find SteamOS's performance very poor. That may in part be due to their use of Gnome 3, which I personally find ill suited for gaming.
Oh, and while we're at it, looks like Witcher 2 is coming for Linux soon(ish): http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYzNjk -
The thing to remember is that all PC games will continue to be on Windows (as well as all other software). Even if in future there is more support for Linux it is not like games will then not be on Windows.
So for a full desktop PC why would you not use Windows if gaming is your primary focus? You will be guaranteed access to every game regardless of if it is on Linux or not. I like Linux and have used it, but i cant see a reason why you would use it over Windows for a game machine. If however the machine is focused on something else such as a media centre or server then i can see why you would have Linux, and so being able to play games without dual boot would have some advantages.
But that is a niche case to say the least, there would need to be some pretty serious performance reason for that not to be the case. Regardless of what Valve and others claim i still think driver optimisation and the like will favour Windows in most cases. Also it will need to be perfect optimisation to mean installing Linux instead of Windows for games. After many years we are finally at the point where you can just boot up a game and it will work, the days of fiddling with drivers and ini files are pretty much gone in 99% of Windows games.
On a semi related note i do find it telling that Blizzard dont bother with Linux. They have supported Mac since day one and even thought about porting WoW to Linux but shelved the plans as they 'couldnt be bothered'.
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kingcrowbar wrote:
Crytek, GOG (and CD Projekt RED), and Epic are indie friends now? Surely you jest?
Kernel version in sig or gtfo.
Or various distributions etc.
Unless a firm were able to get behind a 'gaming linux' the way google were able to get behind a 'phone linux'. SteamOS is always going to be a few indie friends plus valve.
Although I'd love to dig out my old Neverwinter Nights Linux binaries and run them on the raspberry pi, but unfortunately things are not that simple.
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however, seeing as there can be huge performance differences between even different versions of the same distribution, as Phoronix shows time and again, I wouldn't read too much into it. These can be down to different versions of software, compilers or even compiler flags. In fact, it looks like Ubuntu is holding its own against Debian: 
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