When did evrybody start liking apple? Page 4

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  • otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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    That's a very sensible reason to choose a platform there cubbymoore. Enjoy your Apple-free future. o_O
  • otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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    JCMONKEY wrote:
    "When did everybody start liking apple?"

    Damn straight! What's so good about apples?

    They look bad, they are slow (or the standard ones), the interface is horrible (damn liquid sphere things), no right click! no right click I repeat! It's just off key!

    I often have this conversation with a friend and it usually ends with, "there must be something good about it, architects and graphic designers use them". Could somebody explain what is good about macs?
    OK, let's take your little list:

    "They look bad" - well beauty is in the eye of the beholder, if you think [link=http://img.dell.com/images/emea/specialitems/products/dimen/5000_fs_front_cutout_215x210.jpg">this looks better than this, or this looks better than
  • otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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    JCMONKEY wrote:
    The computers you are comparing, how much do they cost? This applies to the speed of the computer also. Aren't Macs significantly more expensive than the equivalent PC?
    No. Top of the range Dell desktop and G5 tower will cost around the same. Cheapest Mac (the Mini) is cheaper than an equivalent Dell, but it's difficult to compare like with like as with the Mac you're getting a stellar software bundle but no monitor, keyboard, mouse. Cheapest laptop (iBook) is easily competitive with the cheapest PC laptops.
  • otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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    Heheh. Anyway, let's cut the crap, if you're seriously interested in knowing about the platform, you could do worse than read this Anandtech article: "A Month with a Mac: A Die-Hard PC User's Perspective"

    Note that the knob in that movie is (a) a complete knob and (b) using a pre-OSX operating system. I've never used a pre-OSX MAC OS and by all accounts they're pretty horrible. I'm an OSX + new hardware fanboy, not a nostalgic Mac fanboy. The things that knob is whingeing about are 100% irrelevant to this thread. :p
  • otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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    rhythm wrote:
    Like Otto said, it's difficult to quote like for like when comparing PCs and Macs though. iBooks are far more expensive than entry level laptops but they weigh next to nothing and have a longer battery life. Powerbooks are nice big bits of kit and around the same price as their equivalents (probably the Sony Vaios) but you're buying into a system where there's not as much free choice of third party accessories and as a consequence, overall costs are higher. There's a similar story with the desktop units too - the actual processor specs are nothing like those of equivalently priced PCs, but the designs themselves have intrinsic advantages that people love.

    Maybe I'll change my opinion one day, but for a company who prided themselves upon being so "free and easy", it seems fantastically difficult to break into their ranks.
    OK, sorry, I'm going to have to come back on this. The iBook isn't "far more expensive" than an entry level PC laptop. The battery and weight are not the selling point, it's the software bundle and integration.

    "Not as much choice of third party accessories" - there's an unbelievably huge market there for third party accessories, just nip around the corner to a newsagent and flick through one of the mac mags on the shelf if you don't believe me. Are there as many as there are for the PC? I don't know, but when you're comparing thousands with tens of thousands, who cares? It has no impact on the price. Overall costs are not higher. With the software bundled in the machine, overall costs are often lower.

    "fantastically difficult to break into their ranks" - what's so difficult? You go to a shop, buy one, you're in their ranks. That's what I did.
  • otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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    Problem Blerkie? :)

    Just to inject a smidgeon of balance to my posts in this thread, I'm deeply unhappy with iPhoto 5, it's absurdly slow. Seems unable to cope with large libraries. They really need to sort that out.

    I also had some weird problems with my Airport network, for some reason the base station kept dropping out. I reflashed it and it was fine again. Nothing that hasn't happened to me with Linksys, but still.

    Apart from that, mAc rox m$ sux! (wish there was an ascii character for the anarchy symbol)
  • otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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    ssuellid wrote:
    I'm sure that someone else mentioned wanting a windows like file explorer ages ago in another thread - might even have been Otto.
    Yeah it was me. It's what you're used to, I guess. I find Finder in column view is OK for me now. There are things which Finder does better than Explorer - mounted volumes, previews, etc - but on the whole yeah I still think the Windows 3.1 File Manager has yet to be beaten in terms of a file management system (actually, Dosshell was pretty good too).
  • otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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    Heheh. It's a horrible drug. Shiny hardware, shiny software, it must be possessed! Give me the precious things!

    It creeps up on you. You start out as an interested but slightly sceptical PC user who wants to see what the fuss is about. You like it, very stylish, but some things niggle. You have a detached, critical yet constructive attitude. You buy the odd Mac magazine, just as you used to buy PC mags. You start visiting Mac rumour sites. As ignorant benighted fools on the internet start disrespecting your beloved new toy you begin to feel protective towards it. You begin to expound its merits to others. You find yourself watching Stevenotes live on the net. Next thing you know, you've blown six months' pay on Apple kit you never knew you needed, you're trying to persuade all your friends and family to switch, and you're the forum's resident Apple bore. :|

    So anyway, you know those stickers they give you with a new piece of hardware? The Apple stickers? The ones I nearly threw away when I got my powerbook, thinking "only hardcore knob-head fanbois are going to find a use for these..."? Hehehe, so yes, I stuck one on my office XP box. :D Our driver (yes we have a driver) walks in and says with some asperity, "who did you have to sleep with to get an Apple?" Poor guy. :D
  • otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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    Couldn't figure out the leads?

    On a 20" display?

    ?
  • otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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    In that case you'd better not let him get anywhere near this, his brain will explode.
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