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  • retro74 2 Oct 2020 21:21:23 3,463 posts
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    Is that a good thing? Actually beat a couple more bosses today too - Logarius who I had forgotten about and the fire version of the cleric beast

    Itís been a good day in terms of progress

    The next area looks cool but it will be the weekend before I explore it properly
  • OllyJ 3 Oct 2020 21:58:53 4,828 posts
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    Been getting through old hunters ok too, none of the bosses gavee much grief apart from Orphan.

    On Laurence now and not quite figured out the final phase.
  • retro74 5 Oct 2020 19:15:20 3,463 posts
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    Aaargh!!

    I incorrectly remembered that you could stay in NG after beating Gehrman so I went and completed the game by accident

    Didn't actually do the last boss of the DLC so now I need to do it all again - what an idiot!
  • Bichii 5 Oct 2020 19:20:21 3,856 posts
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    Yeah that was pretty dumb of you! :).
  • retro74 5 Oct 2020 20:23:22 3,463 posts
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    Incredibly dumb, I cannot be bothered going through it again now so it will be a while before I even see the last DLC boss - I might never bother

    I also never found a key to open the cell after the first DLC boss either, that's why I was putting off the final boss as I was going back through each area looking for it

    Oh well, looks like I need a new game to play :)
  • Samildanach 6 Oct 2020 12:46:42 497 posts
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    I'm having a tough time now. Logarius is still unbeaten, Ebrietas is also proving too hard, the Bloody Crow NPC enemy is wrecking me and the next area, Nightmare of Mensis, is proving a big jump in difficulty compared to the already challenging last couple of areas.
    I might try Lower Hintertomb, but that doesn't get me any further in the game.
    It's because I'm shit isn't it? Determined not to cheat with summons, so I just better get gud at parrying Logarius and doing whatever the fuck I need to do so I can survive Ebrietas' nasty collection of attacks.
  • retro74 6 Oct 2020 13:00:57 3,463 posts
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    @Samildanach If you've got that far it won't be your skills making it hard, it will be your character, weapon, gems, runes, tactics etc

    The character I was using beat BSB in less than 10 seconds and even Ebrietas was over in about a minute because I was set up right

    You can make it easier for yourself by good planning and preparation
  • OllyJ 6 Oct 2020 13:40:09 4,828 posts
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    Samildanach wrote:
    I'm having a tough time now. Logarius is still unbeaten, Ebrietas is also proving too hard, the Bloody Crow NPC enemy is wrecking me and the next area, Nightmare of Mensis, is proving a big jump in difficulty compared to the already challenging last couple of areas.
    I might try Lower Hintertomb, but that doesn't get me any further in the game.
    It's because I'm shit isn't it? Determined not to cheat with summons, so I just better get gud at parrying Logarius and doing whatever the fuck I need to do so I can survive Ebrietas' nasty collection of attacks.
    Er....what bullshit is calling summoning cheating? It's a fundamental part of the game!

    I do try to solo bosses, but co-op smashing a boss is great fun too, and pushes you through the game.
  • Bichii 6 Oct 2020 14:02:05 3,856 posts
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    Yeah just summon if you are struggling,no point dying over and over.
  • Samildanach 6 Oct 2020 15:15:17 497 posts
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    Yeah, I may have come across wrong with claiming summoning cheating. I have beaten all Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 1 & 2 bosses without summoning and so I have set myself the challenge to do that on Bloodborne too. I would be 'cheating' in my own personal, very silly challenge if I summoned now. Same goes for beating them in 10 seconds with awesome equipment and stats, I would feel as though I hadn't learnt how to avoid the varied attacks consistently. There is a sweet spot of the boss taking a few minutes but also not dragging on excessively, that I tend to aim for when playing these games for the first time.
    So you can see I have created my own problem and I should shut up about finding it hard really.
  • OllyJ 6 Oct 2020 15:50:40 4,828 posts
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    No I do understand you to be honest...but you have nothing to prove, just enjoy it :)
  • wuntyate 6 Oct 2020 16:01:38 16,022 posts
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    Plus it's not always cheating. Some bosses are more difficult (or at least as difficult) with summons owing to either an expanded moveset, defenses going through the roof, or both.

    Most of the time it's easier though. But it's part of the game. I've soloed everything in these games eventually but I summon more often than not these days, as it's just, well, more fun.
  • OllyJ 6 Oct 2020 16:04:22 4,828 posts
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    yep, Watchdog for example is much easier solo for me...
  • Samildanach 6 Oct 2020 16:20:16 497 posts
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    Playing Coop does certainly change boss battle dynamics to a very enjoyable melee I agree, and in difficult NG+ battles, like those two damn tigers in the DS2 dlc side area, I will summon. There is something about a good solo boss battle where you have learnt how to avoid the attacks and strike back at the right time in a kind of a dance. I used to fence with a Sabre and the Soulsborne games get the closest to that kind of style of fighting - timing, sudden changes of speed and careful distance management. I just find the bit where you are learning the boss 'dance' annoying if there is a long run to the boss, or, as in Bloodborne, you have to break off to go re-farm for blood vials and quicksilver bullets. Give me a refilling Estus everytime!

    Edited by Samildanach at 16:20:58 06-10-2020
  • RobAnybody 11 Oct 2020 11:10:03 2,540 posts
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    I hope you've all seen Bloodborne patched to run at 60fps:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0tqppZDYxw

    (read the pinned comment regarding whether this will be released by the modder).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hDIvDPRcPA
  • Samildanach 23 Oct 2020 23:50:03 497 posts
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    So making my way through Nightmare of Mensis. Finally after all this dark misery and horror, something bright and uplifting!

    Seriously though, having a lot of fun after I worked out what the Hell was going on at the start where I was losing health randomly. Just beat Micolash first time which was very refreshing after failing at so many other bosses for so long. I've heard people complain about him, but honestly it seemed very manageable. Maybe I just got lucky that I cornered him? He seemed more of a promoted miniboss so I guess there is something more horrible waiting beyond, much like Celestial Emissary to the as yet unbeaten Ebrietas.
  • Bichii 24 Oct 2020 00:50:16 3,856 posts
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    Yes you were lucky. Half the time you can spend ages chasing him around and then when you get him in the final room he has a one shot magic move with very little wind up time. He is though an easy boss if you manage to stop him using that bs attack at the end.
  • Samildanach 24 Oct 2020 22:42:52 497 posts
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    Got a bit further and died for my first time to Mergoís Wet Nurse. Unlike Logarius, Ebrietas and the Crow, she seems beatable without a shit load of practice. I got greedy and she got me, but her attacks have big gaps between them and have limited range, which make a big difference to how I feel that battle is going.

    Edited by Samildanach at 22:43:44 24-10-2020
  • Samildanach 28 Oct 2020 01:08:50 497 posts
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    Great progress recently. Bosses now beaten:
    Mergoís Wet Nurse - fairly slow and predictable until it does the crazy multiple image attack in the dark.
    Forgotten Madman and lazy friend. Crap escort if you come to the rescue when your man is half dead. I suppose he is forgotten..
    Pthumerian Elder - This was a good boss with all his variant weapons. Easy at first but a fair few deaths to his second form.
    Marty Logarius - Finally got him. What a great boss. What else can I say?
    Ebrietas - Another bane of my life for so long. Another good boss that really hits the Lovecraftian feel.
    Merciless Chiefton and Watchers Pt2. - There had to be a shit boss somewhere. What was the point of having these guys again? Okay for first chalice L2, but by now they are very familiar.

    The Crow of Cainhurst is still brutalising me and I have yet to face the finale. I admit I have read around a little so as to not miss any areas and bosses. The plan is to beat epic final boss #1 b4 dying to #2 and then getting stuck into the expansion areas. Oh and finish the rest of the Depth 3 Chalices. Depths 4 & 5 can wait till NG+ as I gather they don't level up. Plenty to do and loving it!
  • Bichii 28 Oct 2020 01:16:22 3,856 posts
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    Crow of cainhurst is a beast. I beat him by just getting medium distance to get him to run at me for an attack and at a certain distance I'd launch a switch attack with my moon sword. Was a pretty safe way to win..if you went too far away he would just shoot you and wipe out your health in two shots.
  • Samildanach 29 Oct 2020 12:16:32 497 posts
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    Bichii wrote:
    Crow of cainhurst is a beast. I beat him by just getting medium distance to get him to run at me for an attack and at a certain distance I'd launch a switch attack with my moon sword. Was a pretty safe way to win..if you went too far away he would just shoot you and wipe out your health in two shots.
    Thanks for the handy advice. Although I used Ludwig's sword charged attack instead, the principle was the same. He would merrily walk into it if you began charging at the middle distance.

    Now facing Gehrman. Got him below 50% first time, but lost my concentration once he gets powered up. Doesn't appear too insurmountable though.
    Oh, and I have copied a save slot before going to him so I can bag all three endings. I also wanted to see if I could beat the final bosses before I got overlevelled by the dlc areas. Nothing so disappointing for me than having a great boss ruined by being steamrolled by me.

    Edited by Samildanach at 12:17:26 29-10-2020
  • Samildanach 30 Oct 2020 01:35:31 497 posts
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    Gehrman defeated! What a great battle. Finally got a bit better at parrying and viscerals, as he was whooping arse otherwise. It was a very tight thing near the end as we were both on our last sliver of health. Fantastic feeling to pull through after so many failed tries. I will have to face him again as I reloaded my separate save to get ending 3, but the plan is to finish the last of the depth 3 main chalice dungeoins.

    Bloody Undead Giant with his sodding hook, club, and spinning chains got me almost as many times as Gehrman. No-where near as fun a battle, but then he is buried in the depths rather than being the main story line final boss!
  • Bichii 30 Oct 2020 07:02:20 3,856 posts
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    The bloody undead giant annoyed the hell out of me for a bit. I can't remember the tactic I used to beat him but it made him pretty easy but before that the spinning chain was making me want to break things in my house.

    Is it onto sekiro soon? :)

    Edited by Bichii at 07:02:28 30-10-2020
  • Ddanno 30 Oct 2020 08:40:04 1,724 posts
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    I think I've usually cheesed him with executioner's gloves, or bone marrow ash, depending on build
  • Samildanach 3 Nov 2020 01:05:08 497 posts
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    I eventually got my timings right and rolled through his annoying chain swings. Good riddance.

    Chalice Rom down on third go, not to bad once I focused on him/her and not all the spiders.

    Bloodletting Beast was a nice surprise. A brand new boss that was impressive too. Not too hard as his attacks seemed quite predictable. So that is all main Chalice Dungeons up to Depth 3 done, I think I will save the rest till NG+

    Back to the final bosses and Gehrman went down first time this time. Surprised the Hell out of me as I managed to get loads of parrys.

    Moon Presence - I had a really hard time with this monstrosity. Very fast and flailing, and his second phase with his wicked combo of preventing healing as well as his attack that sends you to 1HP before coming at you wildly flailing again...well that just wrecked my shit for many goes. Finally worked it out and beat it so I could become an enlarged slug, yay. Anyway, great final bosses, but then the whole main game has had fantastic bosses without a duff one in my opinion.

    Now to the backed-up save before Moon Presence to delve into the Old Hunter's expansion. I'm sure I'll do really well...
  • Bichii 3 Nov 2020 09:03:40 3,856 posts
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    Old hunters makes the main game look like fall guys. :). I don't know why I always felt moon presence easy coming straight from gehrnam
  • Samildanach 7 Nov 2020 11:00:57 497 posts
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    Hunter's Nightmare seemed very manageable with my +10 Ludwig's Holy Blode, Level 82 Strength build. I started to worry that I was a little over-powered....that is until I met the boss. Ludwig is a wonderfully designed monstrosity. He seemed utterly impossible at first, but I started to get some headway with better roll timing until - bam - big new phase 2. What a fantastic boss! Once again From has served up the extra special goods in the expansion. Needless to say he vapourised me with the big green beam.
    After so many failures I went for a bit of spelunking in a D2 chalice I made. Take THAT Maneater boar. Who's the boss now eh? (small victories)
  • Samildanach 14 Nov 2020 00:57:47 497 posts
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    Bloody Hell Ludwig is a fricking nightmare! After probably 60+ attempts I am just starting to get the odd go at his 2nd form without spamming any blood vials on form 1. Any advice for the 2nd form? Am I better staying close or keeping back? Am I too shit a gamer in reality?
  • Nanocrystal 14 Nov 2020 06:53:46 2,268 posts
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    @Samildanach Get in close and wail on him! Aggression is key for most BB bosses.
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