Windows 9... no, wait - Windows 10! Page 85

  • Baihu1983 3 Aug 2016 13:32:13 14,378 posts
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    Firefox used to be really good. But that was at least 5 years ago
  • Deleted user 3 August 2016 13:35:44
    @DrStrangelove
    That's one more for the list...

    http://www.anorak.co.uk/288298/keyposts/the-daily-mails-list-of-things-that-give-you-cancer-from-a-to-z.html/
  • Deleted user 3 August 2016 16:42:58
    CrispyXUKTurbo wrote:
    Anyone tried out the bash shell yet?
    Yep. Even did the hack to have (mostly) full Ubuntu running natively on the Windows desktop. It's fun.

  • Deleted user 3 August 2016 16:50:44
    Nice, does it accept all commands?
  • Deleted user 3 August 2016 17:16:46
    Now I remember why I abandoned Edge, no extensions
  • Deleted user 3 August 2016 17:24:12
    Extensions are available now, following the Anniversary Update.
  • Deleted user 3 August 2016 20:44:08
    Has anyone installed the anniversary update and started getting screen tearing in the steam UI and flash videos? Its fine in normal W10 but happens after the update even if I do a complete clean install. I'm using a GTX 1070 all the latest drivers,etc,etc.
  • Deleted user 3 August 2016 20:58:24
    Switch to the beta client. There's a fix for Anniversary Update things in there.
  • Deleted user 3 August 2016 21:03:48
    If it was just steam I might but it was causing tearing in video's in firefox too. I think i'm going to hold off a while. Let a few driver updates come out and programs get updated then try again.
  • Deleted user 3 August 2016 21:19:31
    The update took two hours, and it worryingly refused to let me sign in first, but it worked after restarting. Removed my wallpaper, some of my browser settings are gone, hope there's not much more trouble waiting.

    Built-in apps (store, calendar, calc) work again, which is great.

    Edge now has extensions, but the mouse gestures have an annoying delay, and generally Edge seems to make a pause of thought whenever I open a new tab/page, which is annoying. Furthermore, when revisiting a Youtube video, Chrome remembers the time signature when I left previously, Edge doesn't seem to do that, pretty annoying.

    I think I'll just stick to Chrome. Another little plus is that it syncs with my Android phone concerning updates on pages I've visited and such.
  • Deleted user 3 August 2016 21:30:37
    2 hours! Took about 40 mins for me.
  • Deleted user 3 August 2016 21:38:07
    Depends on your system. My desktop took about 20 minutes, my tablet took about 2 and a half hours.
  • Baihu1983 3 Aug 2016 21:39:28 14,378 posts
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    Guess it also depends on time (traffic)
  • FIFAfan 3 Aug 2016 21:51:32 268 posts
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    Gremmoo wrote:
    Extensions are available now, following the Anniversary Update.
    Yup. First thing I did was install AdBlock.
  • Rogueywon 3 Aug 2016 22:03:04 12,387 posts
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    Just spent 3 hours getting the update installed. That's only 26 minutes for the "successful" update. The rest was failed updates caused by what appears to be a wide-spread incompatibility with the new update on Skylake machines running Avast.
  • Whizzo 3 Aug 2016 23:13:17 44,810 posts
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    Didn't take too long to install for me, maybe 20 minutes. Other than the change to the Start menu (which I really don't like) it seems fine.
  • Deleted user 4 August 2016 00:10:40
    Razz and I were just talking about you Whizzo :)

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/17659300@N03/2983961854/in/album-72157608475564635/
  • UncleLou Moderator 4 Aug 2016 09:12:13 40,723 posts
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    Spectral wrote:
    Has anyone installed the anniversary update and started getting screen tearing in the steam UI and flash videos? Its fine in normal W10 but happens after the update even if I do a complete clean install. I'm using a GTX 1070 all the latest drivers,etc,etc.
    AND SO IT BEGINS
  • chopsen 4 Aug 2016 10:14:50 21,958 posts
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    UncleLou wrote:
    AND SO IT BEGINS
    Fucksakes, this nonsense again?

    It would make absolutely no sense for MS to ditch backward compatibility or support for gaming. If anything, Windows is moving towards being more permissive. It's now got even got linux BASH.

    It's like SteamOS all over again.
  • Deleted user 4 August 2016 11:35:27
    Yeah, there's zero chance of them phasing out support for win32 anytime in the next decade. UWP is a consumer level thing, and Microsoft still make a small fortune from business licensing (where legacy software will be a more ongoing requirement). The same thing was said the moment Win8 included a store. "This time next year, Windows will be totally walled-garden, mark my words!".
  • frightlever 4 Aug 2016 11:36:52 1,524 posts
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    I tried to update to the anniversary edition by going to the website and initiating the update myself but I get an error code "0x80070057", which seems to be unexplained.

    Looks like I have the option of doing a clean install, but I'm really not that interested in going down that route just yet. Provided I keep getting security updates on my non-anniversary edition I'll keep using it until I build my new "rig".
  • Deleted user 4 August 2016 11:41:18
    It'll come through windows update shortly... No need to do it through the website unless you're in a rush.
  • Sharz 4 Aug 2016 12:04:36 2,121 posts
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    Here is a classic example of Microsoft changing stuff and so breaking things.

    The other night I fancied some Bejeweled, no idea why but I did. Remembering that years ago I bought Bejeweled Live from the Windows Store using my Surface,  so I loaded up the store. Navigated to Library and after some scrolling found it and downloaded it.

    The game itself ran but it couldn't connect to Xbox Live and so leader boards, achievements etc wouldn't work. Turns out the underlying system it used in Windows 8 to connect to live is different now. So as a result the game simply directs me to the Xbox website where it says I need to sign in despite already being signed in on both the website and the xbox app.

    Oh Microsoft... Guess UWP will one day get the same treatment where it doesn't work with Windows version blargh.

    Edited by Sharz at 12:13:14 04-08-2016
  • UncleLou Moderator 4 Aug 2016 12:17:10 40,723 posts
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    frightlever wrote:
    UncleLou wrote:
    Great, the anniversary update last night completely fucked up my PC. Everything on the desktop lags, hovering over something with the mouse (or using a drop down menu) doesn't work anymore, the device manager opens a transparent window at first before it displays anything 20 seconds later, and the task manager is so laggy and slow that it's basically unusable.
    Have a look at this to turn off sharing your bandwidth with all and sundry, by untoggling a conveniently located option about four menus in:

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/2955491/windows/how-to-stop-windows-10-from-using-your-pcs-bandwidth-to-update-strangers-systems.html

    Might be the problem, might not be.
    Cheers - it wasn't the problem, in the end, but thanks anyway. :)

    The problem was indeed the bloody ASUS AI Suite, an ASUS motherboard/fan etc. tool that's actually useful when it works.
  • Deleted user 4 August 2016 12:26:35
    Sharz wrote:
    Here is a classic example of Microsoft changing stuff and so breaking things.

    The other night I fancied some Bejeweled, no idea why but I did. Remembering that years ago I bought Bejeweled Live from the Windows Store using my Surface,  so I loaded up the store. Navigated to Library and after some scrolling found it and downloaded it.

    The game itself ran but it couldn't connect to Xbox Live and so leader boards, achievements etc wouldn't work. Turns out the underlying system it used in Windows 8 to connect to live is different now. So as a result the game simply directs me to the Xbox website where it says I need to sign in despite already being signed in on both the website and the xbox app.

    Oh Microsoft... Guess UWP will one day get the same treatment where it doesn't work with Windows version blargh.
    Are you installing your apps on a secondary drive or external drive like an SD card or something? The earlier win 8 live stuff is hard coded to look in the default app location for Live stuff, but 10 gives you the option to save elsewhere.
  • Sharz 4 Aug 2016 12:28:27 2,121 posts
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    Nope,  primary drive
  • chopsen 4 Aug 2016 12:34:53 21,958 posts
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    Gremmoo wrote:
    Yeah, there's zero chance of them phasing out support for win32 anytime in the next decade. UWP is a consumer level thing, and Microsoft still make a small fortune from business licensing (where legacy software will be a more ongoing requirement). The same thing was said the moment Win8 included a store. "This time next year, Windows will be totally walled-garden, mark my words!".
    Yeah. If they ditch Win32 they will lose business/corp completely. It'd be suicide. Even a decade sounds too soon for me. So many companies industries need win32 or even DOS compatibility (!) for some piece of software they are completely reliant on. Compatibility is Windows selling point.

    Most are still on Windows 7 and I'd guess not move to another version till MS ceases support and forces them, which is currently extended to 2020 and I'd bet 50p they extend it further nearer the time.

    MS *do* sometimes break things, admittedly. But it's usually not due to some conspiratorial plan, just plain old incompetence.
  • oceanmotion 4 Aug 2016 12:44:50 17,358 posts
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    chopsen wrote:
    Gremmoo wrote:
    Yeah, there's zero chance of them phasing out support for win32 anytime in the next decade. UWP is a consumer level thing, and Microsoft still make a small fortune from business licensing (where legacy software will be a more ongoing requirement). The same thing was said the moment Win8 included a store. "This time next year, Windows will be totally walled-garden, mark my words!".
    Yeah. If they ditch Win32 they will lose business/corp completely. It'd be suicide. Even a decade sounds too soon for me. So many companies industries need win32 or even DOS compatibility (!) for some piece of software they are completely reliant on. Compatibility is Windows selling point.

    Most are still on Windows 7 and I'd guess not move to another version till MS ceases support and forces them, which is currently extended to 2020 and I'd bet 50p they extend it further nearer the time.

    MS *do* sometimes break things, admittedly. But it's usually not due to some conspiratorial plan, just plain old incompetence.
    Not saying it's going to happen soon but Microsoft is putting in a lot of work to move away from Win32, not abandoning yet but their course is set. It will take time but they're going for it and as for business and enterprise, well what does that matter, they won't dump them but you can probably bet Win32 might be a Business/Enterprise only feature one day which keeps Microsoft in the game but consumers will take whatever pill Microsoft offer and like it.

    Edited by oceanmotion at 12:45:42 04-08-2016

    Edited by oceanmotion at 12:46:30 04-08-2016
  • chopsen 4 Aug 2016 13:02:48 21,958 posts
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    The "Home" version of windows is practically a crippleware version. Having no control of the update process and no option to use encryption? Bah. So yeah, I could see the home version being a problem.

    Game comparability has always been a problem with windows. Sure DirectX helped a lot, but a lot of older games (especially win9x era stuff or especially DRM systems) just don't work properly. Some other older games needs quirky workarounds.

    Obviously at *some* point win32 will become a legacy, but I'm sure that they will keep some kind of comparability solution around. Ok, maybe it won't run all games but I honestly think it's going to be a looooong time time we see that.
  • challenge_hanukkah 4 Aug 2016 13:29:47 14,403 posts
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    Is there any manual way to download the update?

    It's not showing up for me, I just get "Your device is up to date"

    Edit: NVM, using the media creation tool thingy.

    Edited by challenge_hanukkah at 13:33:07 04-08-2016
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