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Those who don't want to use Win8 because of Metro are missing out. You can remove any instance of Metro (and also get the Start menu back) by installing Classic Shell. With that, what you are left with is an OS that is essentially a much faster version of Windows 7. If the next Windows improves performance even further, I'm all up for it. My biggest gripe with Win8, instead, is the apps store. Apps must be installed to the primary hard drive, it can't be changed. Given that I use a small 60GB SSD as my primary drive, that's extremely inconvenient. It's why I never download apps. Edited by Malek86 at 16:09:27 19-08-2014 |
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Malek86 12,331 posts
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MrWorf 64,187 posts
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Registered 20 years agoWow, loving classic shell, cheers for that -
chopsen 21,958 posts
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Registered 16 years agoWhy the hell are you installing apps anyway? -
chopsen 21,958 posts
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Registered 16 years agogamingdave wrote:
I hated the metro nonsense, and I originally installed some 3rd party shell regrade thing. Since the the 8.1 u/g however I really don't see it makes any odds.
I've had Classic Start Menu installed on my work laptop since it put Win8 on it. I never touch the metro interface at all, and use it exactly like a Win7 machine, it's just a bit faster. -
Malek86 wrote:
I don't think it's a lot faster. Booting is noticeably better, but I've not noticed anything else operating faster. I'm not saying nothing else has - just that it's not obvious. More reliable though. Don't think I've had a single BS yet. /touch wood
Classic Shell. With that, what you are left with is an OS that is essentially a much faster version of Windows 7. If the next Windows improves performance even further, I'm all up for it. -
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Registered 18 years agohttp://www.theverge.com/2014/8/21/6052807/windows-9-preview-press-event-september
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oceanmotion 17,358 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI wonder if they'll be able to get them away from Windows 7.
Windows 8 minus the charms bar and bringing back the start menu.
At least Windows won't be a look at me kindergarden device in TV shows. It could be the best UI ever made but looks so out of place in everything.
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@DodgyPast
That post is over two years old now - is it definitely still an issue? I've only fiddled around with it a bit in VMs out of curiosity (JBOD suits my needs just fine, so no need to actually use it), but remember being able to create a storage space quite a bit larger than the available drives.... I'll have another play with it this eve -
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Registered 9 years agoMalek86 wrote:
Thanks for the tip. Just downloaded Classic Shell and it is ace!
Those who don't want to use Win8 because of Metro are missing out. You can remove any instance of Metro (and also get the Start menu back) by installing Classic Shell. With that, what you are left with is an OS that is essentially a much faster version of Windows 7. If the next Windows improves performance even further, I'm all up for it. -
Ever since you could fast switch profiles on Windows xp, I thought it was a useless feature because it was so slow(anything upwards of 30secs, plus time to lock profile, select profile and type password), and therefore disabled it.
After installing Windows 8.1 pro 64bit on an old HP6510b laptop with a fingerprint reader(SSD/4GB dual channel memory) and it's integrate fingerprint software, I found that the user switching was taking about 3secs, and a brilliant way to finally share(hot desk) the any of the computers with the better half, without her using my profile.
So I checked to see what a decent keyboard for my desktop would cost with the same feature, and was surprised that these previous ($150) IBM keyboards
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Preferred-Pro-Usb-Keyboard-Electronics/dp/B000CDWGVG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407254924&sr=8-1&keywords=ibm+fingerprint+keyboard
could be bought this cheap(and got sent the newer Lenovo models to-boot) for about £10.
The only downside to the standard windows software, is that it doesn't use the HP extension features, that lets you switch, just by swiping, as opposed to requiring an additional StartKey+L, to lock first.
So my main concern for Windows 9, is that they will remove this new integrated feature (when the charms get removed) and continue down the path of putting less effort into developing/testing MS Access' RAD development tools; which is probably the last great aspect of Windows I need to find a substitute for. -
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Registered 7 years agoBremenacht wrote:
I agree. And I wasn't dismissing the initial complaints, they were valid. Windows 8 at launch was too-jarring a UI switch.
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If it wasn't for 'populist' indignation, they'd not have put in an option for a desktop presentation, would they? Removing something that was familiar, popular and reliable was completely avoidable and indefensibly stupid. Maybe not so stupid though - many will pay the best part of £100 just to have a familiar working desktop back on their PCs.
So really, it's time the populist indignation was given a rest already, it's not 2012 any more.
Believe it or not, many people who complain about stuff do it because they mean it, rather than wanting a ticket for the hipster bus.
But its implementation has since been softened to be more optional, and all indications are that Windows 9 will be more balanced to suit the user profile of both touch and non-touch devices alike.
So my eye-rolls are mostly for the entitled folks still crapping on about any and all Metro in Windows 9, like even its mere existence is some kind of personal affront to their puritan demands. -
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Yep. Looks a lot more sensible.
all indications are that Windows 9 will be more balanced to suit the user profile of both touch and non-touch devices alike.
http://hexus.net/tech/news/software/74625-video-shows-windows-9-start-menu-action/
Not just a case of 'something for the stick-in-the-muds' either, but a worthwhile development. Easy to imagine a lot of people and companies jumping from 7 straight to 9. -
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Registered 14 years agoThat looks decent enough. I never had a problem with 8, I found the metro interface nice and clean, much more so than the old start menu with too many choices, so I didn't really want 9 to go too far the other way as I saw it as a backwards step. I don't have a problem with the way it looks to have been implemented though. -
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Registered 7 years agoBremenacht wrote:
Looking good. And for the especially precious, there's another video out there showing the option to remove Live Tiles from the start menu altogether.
Hacienda wrote:
Yep. Looks a lot more sensible.
all indications are that Windows 9 will be more balanced to suit the user profile of both touch and non-touch devices alike.
http://hexus.net/tech/news/software/74625-video-shows-windows-9-start-menu-action/
Not just a case of 'something for the stick-in-the-muds' either, but a worthwhile development. Easy to imagine a lot of people and companies jumping from 7 straight to 9.
Smart moves by Microsoft. After the furore over Windows 8 (and Xbox One), best just give people the choice. If they get this right, it'll be the first OS configurable to different inputs and screens.
As a Surface Pro 3 user, I'm glad they left the Start screen in there as an option. In tablet mode it is my desktop.
Hopefully for hybrid devices you'll be able to set up multiple OS profiles, which the OS will automatically recognize your device configuration and switch to.
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Windows 9 may not be called Windows 9
May not even be called Windows!
Another sign that Microsoft is becoming cuddly? Like, errr, Apple. -
Windows One? -
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Microsoft Spyhole? -
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drip wrote:
Yeah, can't see them dropping the Windows brand. All this One business, Windows One has seemed most likely since forever.
Windows One? -
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Yeah, it'll be Windows One, unified across desktops and phones (and probably future consoles), and they'll do staggered updates for it over time (think 8-8.1) rather than completely new OS releases every few years. That's my guess, anyway. -
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Registered 18 years agoWindows 365. Subscribe. Muwhahahaha!
Windows 8 Second Edition.
I think they'll just go plain old 'Windows' on devices. Keep numbering and names for tech talks but away from promotional material. Windows will just be updated a lot more frequently and the license you buy, gets you the latest version going. -
Hacienda 160 posts
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Registered 7 years agoFree? (for Windows 8 users)
I reckon that would be a smart PR move by Microsoft, after the discontent over 8.
Coupled with the UI improvements, I can see an XP/7 sized hit with this one, there must be a lot of pent-up demand for a new and improved Windows.
As for the name, I can imagine them following their successful re-branding of Office, by going with just "Windows" or maybe "Windows One' or something, to deliver the message that it's a unified OS with apps and functionality across PC, tablet and phone. -
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Registered 16 years agoYeah, this has been rumoured for a while. Mainly because it's in reality Windows 8.2, but MS are desperate for everyone to forget that windows 8 ever happened. -
Hacienda 160 posts
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Registered 7 years agochopsen wrote:
You say that rather disparagingly, but Windows 8 was actually a solid improvement over 7. Under the hood. And its touch and cloud capabilities were necessary, and a boon for people like me who want a 'Windows iPad' (Surface).
it's in reality Windows 8.2
Its problem was they hewed too far towards touch, and the resulting UI was a confused mess for traditional users.
Fix that up and thus remove that fog, and what you essentially have is not 'just' Windows 8.2, but actually the original vision of a familiar but better Windows than 7, with optional tablet mode for those who want it and are running the right device, in the one OS.
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Yeah, it works well with a Surface. However, that is a minority of cases, and 8.0 was from a user experience on the most common forms of hardware was utter balls. Uptake of 8 has been apalling. Many hardware providers have gone out of their way to offer Win7 downgrades. When support for XP ended, many went to 7, not 8, and some even stayed with XP!
Regardless of the improvements they did with 8.1, and the under the hood improvements, "windows 8" from a branding point of view is toxic.
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