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Well, you've all inspired me to give it yet another go. I've been trying hard to understand where the fun is because so many people love it, but maybe I haven't pushed the endgame stuff hard enough. In answer to the above questions, I've only done T2 Rifts so far I believe. I was in a group of 4, and 1 was a crusader who had done a fair bit of grinding. Most of the time I couldn't even tell who I was on the screen - it was just a lot of death and numbers and it made no difference whatsoever what button I pressed. I do understand there's a lot to planning out your equipment and build, that makes sense. But in high torment rifts, are you really playing differently dependant on what type of enemy you see or what they do? eg: Ok, this is mob is casting some fire attack, I need to react and do x, but then another mob turns up and does something else so I need to do y? As far as I can tell, this sort of play never happens in Diablo - it's just spamming the same buttons whenever they're off cooldown regardless of what's going on. |
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Gregolution 11,084 posts
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Registered 8 years agoIt's true that your playstyle is more tied to your build, rather than the enemy you're fighting. It all still boils down to "dodge whatever shit they throw at you" but you do need to pay attention to the "affixes" of champion and elite packs.
Say you have one move in your build which can free you from an immobilise spell (such as that found by enemies with the "jailer" affix). If you come up against an elite pack or a champion that has both Jailer and, say, the frost bomb freeze thing (can't remember it's name) then you need to think quite carefully about when to use that "get out of jail free" ability. Cooldowns will mean it might not be able to save you twice, and if you waste it getting out of the first jail you get put in, you might find later on in the battle you get jailed with a frost bomb about to explode next to you, or jailed with a molten enemy who you've just killed about to explode in your face.
Those kind of decisions will occur, but admittedly not hugely frequently.
Also co-op will put a skewed perspective on the game. As you say, you don't know how well geared the other guys are. If you get in a group with a supremely well geared player who is farming something then yes, you may find that stuff just melts without you really having a clue what's going on. I would advise sticking to co-op with friends or solo play until you've really learnt the ropes. I'll play with ya.gif)
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Gregolution 11,084 posts
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Registered 12 years agoWhat's the best tactic for Grifts? I've only done one, and the bloke explaining things made us fail the test without attacking anyone so that we got the lowest level grift possible (which seemed really dumb to me).
Then at the end of the grift there was some choice you make about upgrading a legendary gem or getting a higher key or something? What's that all about?
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ok so I can upgrade my legendary gems at the end of grift if they're already equipped. Think I read enough yesterday to have another go at this.
What's the best tactic for Grifts? I've only done one, and the bloke explaining things made us fail the test without attacking anyone so that we got the lowest level grift possible (which seemed really dumb to me).
Then at the end of the grift there was some choice you make about upgrading a legendary gem or getting a higher key or something? What's that all about?
And if I put the legendary gem in an item can I not upgrade it any more next time I do a grift?
Played 5 bounties and a rift last night and it was ok with spotify playing in the background.
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2 parts to a grift. When doing rifts you sometimes get a grift trial key drop.
What's the best tactic for Grifts? I've only done one, and the bloke explaining things made us fail the test without attacking anyone so that we got the lowest level grift possible (which seemed really dumb to me).
Then at the end of the grift there was some choice you make about upgrading a legendary gem or getting a higher key or something? What's that all about?
And if I put the legendary gem in an item can I not upgrade it any more next time I do a grift?
You then put this into the obelisk which starts a test your might trial featuring waves of enemies which get progressively more difficult. Depending on how fast you smite a wave it will jump you a few difficult levels.
Ultimately the timer will expire before you kill a full wave, which then presents you with a grift Key of a level that it estimates you should be able to tackle.
Its quite easily to gain keys you have no hope in clearing however so some people like port back to town and then get a tier 1 key and start from there.
You can then smash through the tier and then get a big jump to another tier upon completion or take a leisurely wander and go through the tiers in stages getting legs and gems from the boss.
If you manage to complete the grift before time expires you can either upgrade your key for the next tier or opt to upgrade a gem if you have any and end your run. If time expires you can only do gems.
You can only upgrade gems on the character in use or in you stash. You cannot upgrade gems on an Alt
Wow post turned out quite long.
I've picked this up on ps4 now as well I have a disease and it is diablo...
as so add me. Same username as here
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Registered 8 years agoAlso, when upgrading the legendary gems, you have 3 "shots" at upgrading it if you choose that option at the end of the Grift. Each time, basically, you have a chance to succeed in the upgrade. This chance is determined using some complex formula but, basically speaking, the higher the level your gem is, the lower the chance at getting an upgrade. This chance can be increased by completing higher level Grifts. So a level 0 gem will have a 100% upgrade chance all 3 times (so you can upgrade it 3 times) from a level 12 Grift. However now, my Level 12 legendary gem only has like a 10% chance to upgrade each time from a level 1 rift. Essentially this means that eventually you will need to push higher rifts or you will hit a point where upgrading your gems becomes hard / impossible.
It seems like you always get a legendary gem from killing a grift boss though, no matter what level Grift it is. This means that it can be worthwhile to farm low level Grifts to get access to all the gems - once you've got a leg gem obviously you can just remove it from items and put it into new ones if you get an upgrade.
Some of the leg gems are EXTREMELY strong. They also have an extra ability which unlocks once you get the gem to rank 25.
I have kind of hit a plateau at the moment. I can do Grift level 18 right up to the end but died a couple of times, and the timer expired with the last boss on about 10% HP. My record for a clear is Grift level 16, which felt ok but I was having to avoid elite enemy abilities more and stuff was taking longer to die.
While gearing up, my advice would be to farm bounties until you get the gear to comfortably farm torment 1. Then head to normal rifts and farm the shit out of them for bloodshards, gambling them for set pieces (look up the best set pieces for your class). Once you've got to the point where torment 1 is "on farm" (as in you can almost ignore even elite enemy special abilities and roflstomp enemies nice and easily) then start doing some lower level (say 5 - 12 ish) Grifts. Keep doing these for legendary gems, and intersperse your Grift runs with normal rift runs for more gear.
Just so you know, here is a (rough) guide to the difficulty of Greater rifts and their equivalent regular game difficulty. Use this to get a vague idea - as in if you really struggle on Torment 2, probably stay below Grift 13 for now. Take this with a pinch of salt though - remember mob spawns etc are random so 2 Grifts at level 13 could feel quite different.
Grift 1: Hard
Grift 4: Expert
Grift 7: Master
Grift 10: Torment 1
Grift 13: Torment 2
Grift 16: Torment 3
Grift 19: Torment 4
Grift 22: Torment 5
Grift 25: Torment 6
Grift 25+ Harder than Torment 6, getting harder and harder each level.
Just got my 2 piece Marauders. Come here you sexy 4 piece beast. Always up for D3 on PS4, give me a shout!
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One more protip for new players:
Torment difficulty gives access to better loot - lots of the best legendary items and set pieces only drop on torment difficulty. However there's no point going in to Torment until you can properly farm it - i.e it feels quite easy. Otherwise you just end up getting loot more slowly due to dying / enemies taking longer to die.
However, apart from a slightly higher chance to get certain drops, there is no difference between normal and master difficulty in terms of the quality of loot. This means that it is often faster to gear up for Torment 1 by farming normal or expert difficulty - With even basic level 70 gear normal will melt before you like butter under a soldering iron - fast rift clears means lots of gear very quickly. Remember Rifts have a better chance of dropping legendary items than adventure bounties. You can get geared for Torment 1 pretty fast. A full set of level 70 yellow (rare) items should do the job.
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We'll run some Grifts when I get chance if you like. Much prefer playing the Monk on console as opposed to the pc because I'm after the Raiment set and my poor laptop can't handle it's speed
I have kind of hit a plateau at the moment. I can do Grift level 18 right up to the end but died a couple of times, and the timer expired with the last boss on about 10% HP. My record for a clear is Grift level 16, which felt ok but I was having to avoid elite enemy abilities more and stuff was taking longer to die.
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I'm currently playing a raiment monk and it's quite difficult on the console because you can't aim it properly like you can on the PC. Also on PC if you stand on top of an enemy basically within melee range and use dashing strike you can dash a yard forward into the enemy basically meaning you can spam it on top of him, on the console you cant if you use dashing strike you will go about 20 yards across the screen every time you do it.
Cartho wrote:
We'll run some Grifts when I get chance if you like. Much prefer playing the Monk on console as opposed to the pc because I'm after the Raiment set and my poor laptop can't handle it's speed
I have kind of hit a plateau at the moment. I can do Grift level 18 right up to the end but died a couple of times, and the timer expired with the last boss on about 10% HP. My record for a clear is Grift level 16, which felt ok but I was having to avoid elite enemy abilities more and stuff was taking longer to die.
Edited by crashVoodoo at 19:54:56 14-04-2015
It's hard to explain without you playing it on console and seeing it on PC but simply put it's still very strong especially for T6 rifting but it's much less efficient than on the PC particularly in Grifts.
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Registered 8 years agoGot some upgrades and ripped a level 22 Grift to shreds. Up to roflstomping Torment 3 now. The Focus / Restraint ring set is insanity. 50% damage buff for 5 seconds WHENEVER you hit an enemy with a primary attack / resource generator. So it's up all the time.
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Registered 8 years agoCan't waitfor my marauder 6 piece. 100% I creased damage on my main attacks for each sentry I have active. I can have 5. multi shot / cluster arrow with loaded for bear is gonna get so real, so fast. Oh and with 4 piece each sentry will be firing my main attacks whenever I do. So multi shot / cluster arrow x 5, plus one multi shot / CA that hits 500% harder. Can feel a hard on. -
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You're better off picking one generator and one spender. With 2 spenders you actually rinse through the Hatred too fast
Reapers wraps are practically a must for this to boost Hatred regeneration. These drop as plans from maltheal if you haven't got them already. Just craft a bunch until your roll ancient
You then need the slowest firing but hardest hitting 2h crossbow you can lay your hands on, preferably ancient that's been gifted
How do you lay sentries on console? Do they drop at your location or at the target location?
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Registered 8 years agoI've got reapers wraps and a 1.1 speed manticore which will do me till I can get Kriddershot I reckon.
Sentries appear roughly where you are. I use one main generator (evasive fire runed for 7hatred gen) and one spender - multi shot at the moment but I've messed with cluster arrow loaded for bear too. MS is way lighter on hatred though so using that at the mo. Reapers wraps are god like though. I've rolled a few legendary bracers with slightly higher sheet dos / toughness but nothing compares to getting hatred from health orbs. -
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After our chat in here last week, I'm happy to report Diablo is now in my gaming rota. I'm doing bounties every day and enjoying slowly improving my gear.
Going to add some rifts into the rotation this week.
Only problem is this is slowling down my progress in all the other games I'm playing. I'm going to finish BloodBorne, Dark Souls 2 and GTA a year after everyone else! -
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Glad you're enjoying it!
It will steal a lot of your life! -
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QFT as I'm playing it on both pc and ps4. Its the only thing I play at the moment.
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Glad you're enjoying it!
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Gregolution 11,084 posts
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