HarryB wrote:From what early footage I have seen, I wouldn't raise your hopes it'll be a game of that caliber. It sure is a pretty looking thing, but it clearly lacks any of the subtle qualities and iterative polish, that a Naughty Dog game brings with it (And that's high praise from me, as I was massively disappointed in Uncharted 4 [a game which came out after The Last of Us]). The facial animations are an initial worry, they are most definitely quite poor in the scheme of things. All the human characters tend to look plastic and robotic because of it, making one seriously consider the twist of this game being that their poor animation ties in narratively. Let's not even discuss the performances of the actors not matching said animations. (Plus the writing seems pretty forgettable) Aloy's bow lacks any real weight or punch, and from the various videos I've watched, I've noticed the sound design spirals all over the place in terms of quality and mixing. The AI consists of purely jump attacks following a short recovery- repeat ad infinitum, and your response as a player is to shoot, dodge shoot (Tie a few of them down with the rope launcher) then repeat. Mix in a bit of looting and a few bosses and you've got a game. Looks pretty dull honestly. Another Ubisoft collectathon perhaps? albeit an obscenely gorgeous one. It's a real shame, because the reveal trailer caught my attention with it's pre-historic sci-fi art aesthetic. I was pretty hype as they say. At the very least I'd wait for the early reviews, I'm personally not as sold on this one as I once was. |
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Anihlmal 1,639 posts
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Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agoMight want to actually wait and see what the reviews say before writing it off. The previews have all been very positive on the gameplay front, and all highlight that it's not actually what your observation of videos thinks. -
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Registered 18 years agoAnihlmal wrote:
What disappointed you about Uncharted 4?
HarryB wrote:
From what early footage I have seen, I wouldn't raise your hopes it'll be a game of that caliber.
Hope it's good. My PS4 has been sitting dusty since Uncharted 4.
It sure is a pretty looking thing, but it clearly lacks any of the subtle qualities and iterative polish, that a Naughty Dog game brings with it (And that's high praise from me, as I was massively disappointed in Uncharted 4 [a game which came out after The Last of Us]).
The facial animations are an initial worry, they are most definitely quite poor in the scheme of things. All the human characters tend to look plastic and robotic because of it, making one seriously consider the twist of this game being that their poor animation ties in narratively.
Let's not even discuss the performances of the actors not matching said animations. (Plus the writing seems pretty forgettable)
Aloy's bow lacks any real weight or punch, and from the various videos I've watched, I've noticed the sound design spirals all over the place in terms of quality and mixing.
The AI consists of purely jump attacks following a short recovery- repeat ad infinitum, and your response as a player is to shoot, dodge shoot (Tie a few of them down with the rope launcher) then repeat. Mix in a bit of looting and a few bosses and you've got a game. Looks pretty dull honestly.
Another Ubisoft collectathon perhaps? albeit an obscenely gorgeous one.
It's a real shame, because the reveal trailer caught my attention with it's pre-historic sci-fi art aesthetic. I was pretty hype as they say. At the very least I'd wait for the early reviews, I'm personally not as sold on this one as I once was.
Interesting that you judge the sound design and mixing based on internet videos.. personally Im hopeful that this is a very promising new IP, based on the very positive previews from journos that have actually played this game.
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I'm still excited, exclusives like this is why I keep a Sony
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Anihlmal 1,639 posts
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Registered 16 years agoDerblington wrote:
I am holding out for the final release before I settle on my opinions for sure. However, (and this is by no means a boast [at all]) I've been playing and purchasing games for a long enough time to have a good handle on how a game will turn out- to a relative margin of error.
Might want to actually wait and see what the reviews say before writing it off. The previews have all been very positive on the gameplay front, and all highlight that it's not actually what your observation of videos thinks.
In my experience, a video usually does a smashing job of demonstrating how a game is, or will turn out to be in your hands.
And trust me, I was largely looking forward to this game just a month or so ago. Now that we are approaching release, these new batch of videos are all too revealing.
On the subject of positive previews- I've seen and read these a million times before, been burnt once or twice- they mean very little to me in the context of an industry that drowns in blacklists and embargoes, in developers and publishers that threaten or pay for positive press.
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Uncharted 4 was a disappointment to me in many respects. I'm a massive fan of Naughty Dog. The Last of Us, despite it being a riddled cliche of a movie-wannabe, is still perhaps one of the greatest games I've ever played.
Uncharted 4, is one hell of a looker- graphically par excellence. Yet for all its technical accomplishments, they ran away with it.
I never wanted a looser Last of Us in a jungle (yeah I know, it's a hell of a reductionist thing to say), I wanted set-pieces galore, containing thrilling and imaginative scenarios with me in control at all times.
What frustrated me with the game was the slower pacing, the lack of said set-pieces (and none of them felt particularly fresh either), the over emphasis on technical flair and the story getting in the way a tad too much.
I love mature and adult themes in games- The Last of Us especially, but the Uncharted series is just not that game- it's a canvas that just doesn't need it all that much- there's a reason the Indiana Jones films keep Indie's driving motives somewhat on the backburner- He's doing it for the adventure first and foremost, no?
I watched a GDC post-morten on Uncharted 2, and they showed these 2 guiding principles of an Uncharted game, know what they were?:
1- It's action packed and fast paced.
2- Uncharted doesn't take itself too seriously.
Do they describe Uncharted 4 accurately?
Back to Horizon- I'm pretty confident, the artists at Guerilla- the sound designers specifically, would not put out official videos in which the sound was not at its best. Admittedly some of my opinions are from other videos from IGN and Playstation- but again, the point still stands (Especially with videos on the Official PlayStation channel).
I also found the recent "Developer plays" video they released pretty hilarious, in that every time Aloy talked to a plastic android, they cut to the developers faces doing.... absolutely nothing.
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Played all Uncharted games, loved what they did with 4, excellent game.
I wouldn't put so much stock in the lip syncing etc Life is Strange was off but that's still one of my greatest of all time. Plus, it's like one or two scenes, maybe there's more but they can always release updates/patches. Pretty sure GG supported Killzone ps4 for quite some time after.
Everyone seems to be a little more cynical these days. New tv show, movie, games, music, they curse these things to high heavens. There's been a few lads on here in the past that have torn apart releases but then after playing a good 2-3 hours, being patient, it ended up being a solid game to them (dishonoured 2, deus ex, tomb raider, ass creed syndicate.. even ass creed unity).
Bring on the 20th - when everyone's dishing out 9's and 10's I'll be at Game putting a deposit down.
Everyone, stop being such a negative Nancy.
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Registered 17 years agoA demo would be really nice but will be waiting for reviews and opinions from giant bomb before buying this. Hoping its really good -
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I don't really have the energy to remain consistently positive, and hype myself into all the new releases, nor do I have or want as much time to play games as I used to.
Played all Uncharted games, loved what they did with 4, excellent game.
I wouldn't put so much stock in the lip syncing etc Life is Strange was off but that's still one of my greatest of all time. Plus, it's like one or two scenes, maybe there's more but they can always release updates/patches. Pretty sure GG supported Killzone ps4 for quite some time after.
Everyone seems to be a little more cynical these days. New tv show, movie, games, music, they curse these things to high heavens. There's been a few lads on here in the past that have torn apart releases but then after playing a good 2-3 hours, being patient, it ended up being a solid game to them (dishonoured 2, deus ex, tomb raider, ass creed syndicate.. even ass creed unity).
Bring on the 20th - when everyone's dishing out 9's and 10's I'll be at Game putting a deposit down.
Everyone, stop being such a negative Nancy.
So I really only try to swing around and pick up games as close to "ground-breaking" as they come. I don't really want to play the same game twice honestly, unless of course it's a sequel to a brilliant gem or has something unique and refreshing about it. I guess I'm saying I don't pick up every single new release anymore (as I once did).
I don't tend to jump to conclusions either, by now I don't even need to spend time with a game to know just how good it is. A Giant-bomb quick-look, or a impartial demonstration by a stranger on YouTube are just about good as they come.
I bought Deus Ex: Mankind divided; which also had atrocious facial animations I might add (truly last gen tech)- and still I really enjoyed my time with it, mostly because I'm a sucker for these "choose your own adventure" type games [Dishonored 2 was great too].
It isn't purely about facial animations, there are many ways in which you can enjoy a game. Deus Ex, has a plethora of objectives and approaches to single missions. There's an armory of gadgets, weaponry and play-changing skill upgrades to keep your progression interesting and it's all lovingly wrapped in a trans-humanist dystopia- of which I love.
I don't think Horizon has that kind of moment-to-moment depth to be honest.
My early pre-review hunch is a harsh 73/74 on Meta-critic- perfectly willing to admit, it's neither solid nor a completely fair assessment at this point. Plus it's not my final judgement, let's see how these Sony bought reviews compare in a weeks time
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@cambison http://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/video-games-tablets/new-games-coming-soon/c-692/coming-soon-playstation-4/p-14022/horizon-zero-dawn-ps4/?cmp=cel&trigger=ac
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http://wccftech.com/horizon-zero-dawn-street-date-commercial/
Brazil street date broken. Hopefully, someone will now say if it's yay or nay. -
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IronGiant 6,352 posts
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Registered 18 years ago@Anihlmal "The Last of Us, despite it being a riddled cliche of a movie-wannabe" What on earth are you on about, you sound like a wannabe drama student.
Uncharted games can hardly be called 'fast paced', some of the best moments are when they slow down. Uncharted 4 doesnt take itself too seriously.. did you not listen to the dialog and constant jokes/quips between the main characters. As for "guiding principles of an Uncharted game" isnt that something for Naughty Dog to decide on and modify/change as they see fit.
Regarding Horizon you seem to be criticizing it just for the sake of it, based on videos and ignoring al the positive 'hands-on' articles. It doesn't have the moment-to-moment depth? i was going to ask again what on earth are you babbling on about but can't be arsed!
It could be great it could be ok, I know for sure not to base my opinion on a handful of videos that show just enough to get you interested.. developers obviously don't want to give away everything in previews etc.
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Best to pay for the postage, I chose free postage and they despatched the game on the day so I got it a few days after release from Smyths
@cambison http://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/video-games-tablets/new-games-coming-soon/c-692/coming-soon-playstation-4/p-14022/horizon-zero-dawn-ps4/?cmp=cel&trigger=ac
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But mate, for someone so keen on the game. Why haven't you preordered it? Is that not a bit negative?
Bring on the 20th - when everyone's dishing out 9's and 10's I'll be at Game putting a deposit down.
Everyone, stop being such a negative Nancy. -
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I always pre order digital games. Just prefer to use the credit when I have it otherwise I'll waste it on crap in the sales that I won't play.
Got this and south park pre ordered on psn.gif)
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ChiefGB wrote:
Because I've not said I will be getting it certainly. I'm sure it's going to be a top game, I can't say for certain but when the reviews drop, then i'll know for sure. £37.99 or £54.99 is alot to part with.
pacrifice wrote:
But mate, for someone so keen on the game. Why haven't you preordered it? Is that not a bit negative?
Bring on the 20th - when everyone's dishing out 9's and 10's I'll be at Game putting a deposit down.
Everyone, stop being such a negative Nancy.
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MadCaddy13 wrote:
I've ordered two games prior, was fine for me. I did tomb raider and can't remember the other.
pacrifice wrote:
Best to pay for the postage, I chose free postage and they despatched the game on the day so I got it a few days after release from Smyths
@cambison http://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/video-games-tablets/new-games-coming-soon/c-692/coming-soon-playstation-4/p-14022/horizon-zero-dawn-ps4/?cmp=cel&trigger=ac
£37.99, payment upon despatch, post, tends to come a day early to release. -
Damnit! So it turns out it's not actually broken on the streets of Brazil!
13th Feb > 1st March, ages away. -
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^^^ Those pics are from here. Click/tap on an image for screen resolution. Looks better bigger.
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Anihlmal 1,639 posts
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Registered 16 years agoIronGiant wrote:
I don't follow your posts so I didn't realise you were such a dense individual... but here goes anyway. Wall of text that shall be mostly unread forthcoming!:
@Anihlmal "The Last of Us, despite it being a riddled cliche of a movie-wannabe" What on earth are you on about, you sound like a wannabe drama student.
Uncharted games can hardly be called 'fast paced', some of the best moments are when they slow down. Uncharted 4 doesnt take itself too seriously.. did you not listen to the dialog and constant jokes/quips between the main characters. As for "guiding principles of an Uncharted game" isnt that something for Naughty Dog to decide on and modify/change as they see fit.
Regarding Horizon you seem to be criticizing it just for the sake of it, based on videos and ignoring al the positive 'hands-on' articles. It doesn't have the moment-to-moment depth? i was going to ask again what on earth are you babbling on about but can't be arsed!
It could be great it could be ok, I know for sure not to base my opinion on a handful of videos that show just enough to get you interested.. developers obviously don't want to give away everything in previews etc.
Edited by IronGiant at 11:30:41 13-02-2017
Firstly I concur, a less than stellar sentence. A much better sentence would have been "A cliche-ridden movie-wannabe". I didn't proof-read, shoot me. And in that case, it's pretty obvious what I'm saying, but so was the original sentence...
Some evidence would be, the plentiful amounts of tropes and cliches in The Last of Us (that I need not list here), and its liberal stealing of ideas and "inspiration" from other filmic media- one huge example being The Road, obviously.
This article from 2013 may help you out in understanding these things:
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/last-us/
And despite this, as I say, I love the game. Nothing wrong with it wanting to be more "cinematic" as they say.
The Uncharted series are, despite your claims to the contrary fast-paced games. Yes they have sections that slow down the game, to inject suspense, character or ambience, but this is simply called "pacing".
By and large, the Uncharted games are based around stringing together epic set pieces- that include fast-paced acrobatic gameplay when you reach them. These are some of Uncharted's more memorable sequences- not to say the slower ones are not- It's just that I and many others, believe Uncharted is mostly about the spectacle of that blockbuster-like experience.
How anyone could argue the Uncharted games are "hardly fast-paced"... like I said, dense. Even 4, starts with a speedy boat chase. I think you're making the mistake of considering Uncharted 4 (the slowest of the lot) to represent the entire franchise. It doesn't, it has many more stretches of "walk around a space and interact with these", It's much more akin to The Last Of Us, than an Uncharted experience.
Young Nathan's exploration of the female adventure-archeologist's mansion comes to mind. A much longer, and slower paced moment than typically found in the other games. And that wasn't the only one of these quieter moments either.
On the subject of seriousness: Nathan's little quips and retorts, do not at all change the fact that Uncharted 4 was a much more serious and mature take on the formula. Were the previous games primarily about Nates hubris of conflicting desires for fame and fortune, or simply about finding that historical artifact and shooting blue zombies on the way?
The game is a hugely more serious take on things, a little darker, grown up and emotional than previously. It ends with a quiet take on an older Nate's upper-middle class life, after he's settled down and reconciled with his former adventuring days for crying out loud!
And sure, Naughty Dog can change the game's guiding principles in however which way they wish, however- if they have indeed changed them, how is it still an Uncharted game (The same ones we have played and enjoyed) true-and-true?
To my senses, Uncharted 4 is still an Uncharted game, but to a lesser extent exactly because of their abandonment of these previously established principles.
Back to Horizon:
Moment to moment : https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/moment-to-moment
Since I just mentioned Deus Ex, I was clearly comparing it. Whilst Deus Ex, has a myriad of approaches and choices to how you play the game, on a moment-to-moment basis, I don't feel Horizon has a great breadth of abilities at your disposal. Simple.
"It could be great it could be ok"- Well thanks for that, really helpful insight there. I'll be sure to consult you at the release of every new vidya-gaeme. Thanks very much.
I on the other hand dare to have a more concrete opinion even at such an early stage. Let's see if I missed the mark, or gave an early warning before writing me off just yet.
Edit: Perfectly willing to admit I was overly critical once these 7/10s roll in
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IronGiant 6,352 posts
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Registered 18 years agoLOL, indeed. Uncharted 4 is still an Uncharted game? We have a bona-fide genius amongst us!
Concrete opinions too.. hes definitely spot on about the text being mostly unread. Move along, pompous twerp alert. -
The mediocre brigade rolls in. Glad to see Eurogamer remains the same after all these years 
Where'd you come from crunchy? Heard the rustling in the wind did ya?
Iron, do you perchance write for the media? They have a fascinating habit of quoting things people write entirely out of context.
And often not understanding or reading about the things they write about...
Keep up the good work.
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