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Verdict expected 2am GMT - pretty much guaranteed to be no indictment. It's gonna be chaos out there. Ferguson must be like Gotham City in Nolan's Dark Knight films right now, on the edge. Edited by SuperCoolEskimo at 01:08:13 25-11-2014 |
Ferguson - Mike Brown shooting
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SuperCoolEskimo 11,892 posts
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Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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Registered 9 years agoNot guilty? Not guilty of what? He did shoot the kid, didn't he? Or is it another case of "stand your ground" self-defence like the Florida one a couple of years ago. -
SuperCoolEskimo 11,892 posts
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Registered 14 years agoThere'll be no indictment, basically. -
MrWorf 64,187 posts
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Registered 20 years agob eing read out now:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcnews -
Fuck's sake - no charges. What's America's problem? -
FartPipe 5,307 posts
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Registered 9 years agoLots of riots breaking out due to the no charges decision. -
Fab4 8,924 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI guess looting local stores will bring them justice. -
Fab4 wrote:
I guess looting local stores will bring them justice.
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Did you see the video of Brown robbing a store just moments before the shooting? He almost pushes the poor shopkeeper to the ground who is only half his size.
Doesn't mean he deserved to be shot of course, but slightly changed my opinion on the innocent. -
How does it change it then? -
Well... At first I thought it was a case similar to the Florida shooting which was a innocent young kid being shot.
The police were obviously very concerned with Brown as he just violently robbed a grocery store, the court has released tons of documents which can be found on the Guadian site, it's interesting and by no means an open and shut case... (IMO) -
RyanDS 14,073 posts
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Registered 13 years agoLetsGo wrote:
Apart from the police had no idea that he robbed a store and released those documents latter to retroactively justify their killing.
Well... At first I thought it was a case similar to the Florida shooting which was a innocent young kid being shot.
The police were obviously very concerned with Brown as he just violently robbed a grocery store, the court has released tons of documents which can be found on the Guadian site, it's interesting and by no means an open and shut case... (IMO) -
RyanDS wrote:
Really? Oh I didn't know they didn't know about the store.
LetsGo wrote:
Apart from the police had no idea that he robbed a store and released those documents latter to retroactively justify their killing.
Well... At first I thought it was a case similar to the Florida shooting which was a innocent young kid being shot.
The police were obviously very concerned with Brown as he just violently robbed a grocery store, the court has released tons of documents which can be found on the Guadian site, it's interesting and by no means an open and shut case... (IMO) -
LetsGo wrote:
That's obviously been debunked later on in the thread, but it's still quite troubling to me that you feel, whatever they had done beforehand, that the police could in any small way be pardoned for shooting an unarmed person who was offering zero resistance and clearly fearing for his life.
Well... At first I thought it was a case similar to the Florida shooting which was a innocent young kid being shot.
The police were obviously very concerned with Brown as he just violently robbed a grocery store, the court has released tons of documents which can be found on the Guadian site, it's interesting and by no means an open and shut case... (IMO) -
RyanDS 14,073 posts
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Registered 13 years agoLetsGo wrote:
It was the luckiest break they ever had.
RyanDS wrote:
Really? Oh I didn't know they didn't know about the store.
LetsGo wrote:
Apart from the police had no idea that he robbed a store and released those documents latter to retroactively justify their killing.
Well... At first I thought it was a case similar to the Florida shooting which was a innocent young kid being shot.
The police were obviously very concerned with Brown as he just violently robbed a grocery store, the court has released tons of documents which can be found on the Guadian site, it's interesting and by no means an open and shut case... (IMO)
"Oh shit oh shit oh shit we just killed a random person!!!"
"Oh thank GOD! Someone just brought in video of a store robbery and it is our guy."
Killing was on Saturday. They found out and released the video footage on the firday as a smear campaign. -
Defecationqueen wrote:
He was standing with his hands up, shouting "don't shoot"
Didn't he scuffle with the cop and then get shot whilst he was fleeing? Or did the cop just put a cap in his bottom with zero provocation? -
PES_Fanboy wrote:
I thought the police may have been told he just violently robbed and assaulted the owner and they don't know if he had a gun, why would that be troubling?
LetsGo wrote:
That's obviously been debunked later on in the thread, but it's still quite troubling to me that you feel, whatever they had done beforehand, that the police could in any small way be pardoned for shooting an unarmed person who was offering zero resistance and clearly fearing for his life.
Well... At first I thought it was a case similar to the Florida shooting which was a innocent young kid being shot.
The police were obviously very concerned with Brown as he just violently robbed a grocery store, the court has released tons of documents which can be found on the Guadian site, it's interesting and by no means an open and shut case... (IMO)
Obv. It doesn't matter now as apparently they didn't know about it. -
Well because he was - according to eye witnesses - standing still with his hands up asking the cop not to shoot. That's why it's troubling. -
And why it should be a murder case. -
PES_Fanboy wrote:
Sorry, I thought you said that because he robbed a store you thought MY opinion was troubling.
Well because he was - according to eye witnesses - standing still with his hands up asking the cop not to shoot. That's why it's troubling.
Sure, if he did have his hands up and shouting don't shoot then it's terrible.
Id prefer to read the evidence myself and make an informed opinion than trial by media tho. -
Phattso 27,426 posts
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Registered 17 years agoThere were also other witnesses that said he ran towards the cop in an aggressive manner (based on the 45 minute talk I watched on the BBC earlier when the findings were released). Some that said he was surrendering later changed their statements.
So yeah - cherry pick the witness whose opinion you agree with most.
Do I think he deserved to be shot? Of course not. But here are three things less likely to put you in that situation: don't rob some dude. Don't punch a policeman in the face, and stop when you're told to by a dude with a gun.
That's me cherry picking the witness accounts (and physical evidence) that back up a different view of this.
I don't have a strong opinion as I haven't been following this, but perhaps we could assume that a Grand Jury presented with all the facts is slightly better placed than we mere forumites to render judgement.
Other points of debate: should cops be armed? Is the American legal system fucked? -
FWB 56,369 posts
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Registered 20 years agoNo, no, no. Let the EG lawyers and court do its work. We're in a much better position to pass verdict. -
Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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Registered 9 years agoI reckon he did it -
Phattso 27,426 posts
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Registered 17 years agoIs it because he has those shifty eyes, like? Dead giveaway that. -
Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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Registered 9 years agoHad a little moustache going there too. Guilty I say. -
Regardless of what he did, he didn't deserve what he got.
List of things you need to shoot 12 times in self defense:
1. Werewolves
2. That's literally it.— Bill Dixon (@BillDixonish) November 25, 2014
He was shot 12 times, and the grand jury have decided it's not even worth having a trial over. The fuck America? -
Phattso 27,426 posts
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Registered 17 years ago5 o'clock shadow == murderous dickwad. Science wins again. -
Phattso 27,426 posts
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Registered 17 years agoMrTomFTW wrote:
But he wasn't. Many shots were fires, I believe only five or six aimed at and hit, again based on the statement made as the results were released this morning. Still crazy, but it's not like he walked right up to him and emptied a clip into his twitching corpse.
He was shot 12 times, and the grand jury have decided it's not even worth having a trial over. The fuck America?
Not defending the verdict, not criticising it, just showing how facts are very very easily distorted. Let's not get too glib about it. -
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