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Ferguson - Mike Brown shooting
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FWB 56,369 posts
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Bailing, but one to think about: in the absence of the hard facts, why not believe the unarmed person killed has been wronged? I think that's how it normally works. -
Phattso wrote:
He was a young lad, with no priors, with his hands up and the officer didn't know about the store robbery. 1 bullet was too many.
MrTomFTW wrote:
But he wasn't. Many shots were fires, I believe only five or six aimed at and hit, again based on the statement made as the results were released this morning. Still crazy, but it's not like he walked right up to him and emptied a clip into his twitching corpse.
He was shot 12 times, and the grand jury have decided it's not even worth having a trial over. The fuck America?
Not defending the verdict, not criticising it, just showing how facts are very very easily distorted. Let's not get too glib about it. -
Call me crazy but I believe that when a person is unarmed they should not be shot!
But seriously tho I believe all the outrage over Ferguson is a aimed in the wrong place. I think the biggest problem in the states is the militarization of the police and their bad attitude in general. Not all police obviously but this shit happens all too often to people of all races, but usually poorer backgrounds...
We have seen the attitude of American police during 'swatting incidents', they are all hyped up to soot some "Bad guys", even though the call was a hoax. But they will get away with it and keep getting away with it. America is becoming a police state piece by piece and no one cares. -
RyanDS 14,073 posts
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Registered 13 years agoLetsGo wrote:
Coming from the person who didn't even know the most basic outline of the timeline and was saying that the robbery influenced the shooting?
Id prefer to read the evidence myself and make an informed opinion than trial by media tho.
You couldn't make it up! -
RyanDS 14,073 posts
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Registered 13 years agoI genuinely don't get the police / government response in general throughout this case to be honest. The arresting of reporters, the harrassment of photographers and so on. It's almost as though they were encouraging civil unrest. -
Not-a-reviewer 7,686 posts
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Registered 7 years agoI would like to know why the policeman decided he needed 12 shots at him. Even if he did have a gun or was running at him 12 is a huge amount for someone trained in firearms. -
Fab4 8,924 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI recently learnt from QI that people don't fall over when shot, like in the movies. So i'm guessing a policeman is trained to fire at centre mass until the threat is no longer. And from what I saw of him, the victim looked like a large unit.
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Registered 17 years agoWhile it seems that there was insufficient evidence in this case, the whole thing stinks of rank incompetence by the police force. I wouldn't be so troubled by that if didn't so regularly end up with young, black guys lying dead on a slab somewhere in middle America. -
FWB 56,369 posts
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Registered 20 years agoDepends on the weapon, but a handgun needs around 5-6 bullets to bring someone to a stop, unless you get lucky and hit something vital. -
IMO 7,883 posts
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Registered 17 years agoDefecationqueen wrote:
So basically, work hard, stay in school and you won't get shot by the police?
IMO wrote:
There are so many reasons for this, though. Racism plays a factor, from both sides, so does poverty as does gang culture. How come Chinese/ East Asian youths don't experience similar numbers of cop shootings in America?
While it seems that there was insufficient evidence in this case, the whole thing stinks of rank incompetence by the police force. I wouldn't be so troubled by that if didn't so regularly end up with young, black guys lying dead on a slab somewhere in middle America. -
gizmo 2,100 posts
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gizmo 2,100 posts
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Registered 19 years agoDecided to stay out of this one... -
Armoured_Bear 31,233 posts
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Registered 10 years agoFWB wrote:
You've been watching too many Hollywood movies.
Depends on the weapon, but a handgun needs around 5-6 bullets to bring someone to a stop, unless you get lucky and hit something vital. -
McEwan 884 posts
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Registered 8 years agoI've served on a few juries and it's one of the hardest jobs in the world. Speaking from a Scottish perspective, sometimes the law means that even we don't get the decision we want so I can only imagine how these guys have felt knowing that they can only rely on the evidence and if that points towards a "no case" verdict, then that's what they have to choose. -
Rivuzu 18,424 posts
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Registered 15 years agoMost likely ruled as a "no case" scenario because the only proof they have is witness testimony, which in itself can be deemed ineffectual considering the emotional impact of the Ferguson riots.
Unless I'm missing some CCTV footage of this chap holding his hands up and saying "Don't Shoot" and the police just bustin' da' foo' anyway.
Would not want to be a coppa in Ferguson though. -
basmans_grob 1,487 posts
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Registered 14 years agoPES_Fanboy wrote:
The Jury weren't look at it he was wronged, they were looking to see if there was evidence that the cop did a wrong. Not the same thing.
Bailing, but one to think about: in the absence of the hard facts, why not believe the unarmed person killed has been wronged? I think that's how it normally works.
The evidence was mixed, some people said he had his arms up other saying that he was charging the cop. -
Mixed evidence eh? Sounds like something a trial would have been able to sort out. -
Phattso 27,426 posts
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Registered 17 years agoNo - there was no clear evidence. That's the problem. If half the people said "he was surrendering" and half were saying "he was charging like a beast" then what's a trial going to uncover? -
TheSaint 20,950 posts
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SuperCoolEskimo 11,892 posts
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Registered 14 years agoI do watch these protests differently now after what we went through with the Duggan thing. I can't help but wonder if only a small percentage are protesting for Brown's justice and the vast majority are just out there to loot and get free crap, as was the case in London. -
But look at the horrific injuries the officer suffered
He may never walk again -
Phattso wrote:
Yeah, I suppose I'm being too idealistic here. But it would seem a lot of the black community are taking issue with the fact it hasn't gone to trial, saying it show what value "the system" gives a black life.
No - there was no clear evidence. That's the problem. If half the people said "he was surrendering" and half were saying "he was charging like a beast" then what's a trial going to uncover?
Meanwhile they look to the GOP who are putting so much time and effort into Benghazi (trying to discredit the report yesterday) and see a country with really fucked up priorities on race. -
@the_dudefather Those Wilson injuries in full [link=https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash">#Ferguson pic.twitter.com/x0wLmlCWTg— Graham Linehan (@Glinner) -
@the_dudefather Mike Brown was still laying on the street while Wilson was getting those pictures taken at the hospital.
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