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Ferguson - Mike Brown shooting
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FWB 56,369 posts
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basmans_grob 1,487 posts
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Registered 14 years agoThat doesn't actually have a massive amount to do with it.
If the cops version of events is correct he was attacked (there are photos of injuries) and the attacker then came at him again. If somebody attacked you and then charged at you again wouldn't you assume that he was going to attack you again?
Just because the first time he attacked you he didn't break your leg wouldn't stop you defending yourself.
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Zomoniac 10,628 posts
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Registered 17 years ago12 year old boy shot dead by police yesterday in Ohio.
Fair enough that someone called police when they saw him using a (toy, as it turned out) gun in the park, but the really alarming line is:
The 911 responder twice asked whether the boy was black or white before dispatching officers.
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basmans_grob 1,487 posts
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Registered 14 years agoErrr. Do you think that the police would have needed a way to identify the person who was waving a gun around?
Gender, age, skin colour, clothes. Ways of identifying people from a verbal description.
Or is the argument they wouldn't have sent police to a white boy waving a gun around?.(edited for grammer and a missing word or two)
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They should just have a monthly holiday, shoot a black man day. Save the legal expense. They may as well, rather than go through the farce, when cops are pretty untouchable and hardly ever even lose their jobs let alone get prosecuted. -
super-s1 wrote:
Don't need a holiday. It apparently happens once every 28 hours.
They should just have a monthly holiday, shoot a black man day. Save the legal expense. They may as well, rather than go through the farce, when cops are pretty untouchable and hardly ever even lose their jobs let alone get prosecuted. -
TheSaint 20,950 posts
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Registered 16 years agoZomoniac wrote:
It doesn't seem unreasonable to think the police would want a description of who they were looking for in a busy park.
12 year old boy shot dead by police yesterday in Ohio.
Fair enough that someone called police when they saw him using a (toy, as it turned out) gun in the park, but the really alarming line is:
The 911 responder twice asked whether the boy was black or white before dispatching officers.
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basmans_grob 1,487 posts
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Registered 14 years agoThe case of the kid sounds horrible one the face of it.
From the officers points of view they had been told that there was "a male with a gun threatening people" (that's not what the caller told the 911 line, but what the police on the ground were told). That male with a gun then pulled the gun out when asked to raise his hands.
Ok, they might of/should have waited until he pointed that guy at people but I can understand why when somebody pulls a gun out the police would get a little nervous at the very least. -
Zomoniac 10,628 posts
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Registered 17 years agoTheSaint wrote:
It seems unreasonable to think that if someone called to report someone with a gun that dispatch wouldn't happen immediately with a description sent over when en route. That said, it doesn't mention in the article if they asked for more descriptions before dispatch, so it's hard to make a proper judgement. If they insist on a full description before dispatch to someone waving a gun around then it's just a bit retarded but not really questionable. If the only question they insist on an answer to before dispatch is what colour are they then it's a bit alarming.
Zomoniac wrote:
It doesn't seem unreasonable to think the police would want a description of who they were looking for in a busy park.
12 year old boy shot dead by police yesterday in Ohio.
Fair enough that someone called police when they saw him using a (toy, as it turned out) gun in the park, but the really alarming line is:
The 911 responder twice asked whether the boy was black or white before dispatching officers.
The fuck?! -
Rivuzu 18,424 posts
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Registered 15 years agoKid was meant to be very tall for a 12 year old as well. I'm not surprised they shot, though as the father has said, why didn't they tase him instead? Because it'd cause him to spasm and probably pull the trigger which, if it was a real gun, could misfire everywhere.
Getting bored of the race card now though. Am I incredibly naïve considering how we Brits are mostly tolerant of other races (at least round my neck of the woods) or are Americans really that cloistered and caught up in race issues? -
disusedgenius 10,677 posts
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Registered 14 years agoI mean, surely incredibly naïve is the obvious answer, unless you think everyone's just making the issues up? -
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Rivuzu 18,424 posts
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Registered 15 years agoGuess I'm trying to ask is any of this motivated by race - genuinely motivated by race - or has the country now bred it's own culture of scape goats, martyrs and morons that have allowed these things to happen? -
The-Bodybuilder 17,871 posts
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Registered 17 years agotheroneffs wrote:
Err most gun related crimes or incidents in the US involve white perpetrators, which makes sense given the majority of the population are white.
Surely that's a fairly pertinent if unfortunate question in America when it comes to potential gun incidents?
How you think it's a "pertinent question", I don't know.
The biggest issue with Ferguson isn't Ferguson, but that it follows up from that last black shooting in Florida which was as clear as day was an injustice. -
basmans_grob 1,487 posts
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Registered 14 years agoRivuzu wrote:
More Americans are armed so cockups/racist bias ends with dead people. Cockups/racist bias here end up with a dodgy convictions and massive numbers of black men getting stopped and searched.
mostly tolerant of other races (at least round my neck of the woods) or are Americans really that cloistered and caught up in race issues? -
Rivuzu 18,424 posts
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Registered 15 years agoThe-Bodybuilder wrote:
theroneffs wrote:
Err most gun related crimes or incidents in the US involve white perpetrators, which makes sense given the majority of the population are white.
Surely that's a fairly pertinent if unfortunate question in America when it comes to potential gun incidents?
How you think it's a "pertinent question", I don't know.
The biggest issue with Ferguson isn't Ferguson, but that it follows up from that last black shooting in Florida which was as clear as day was an injustice.
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Rivuzu wrote:
yes.
Getting bored of the race card now though. Am I incredibly naïve considering how we Brits are mostly tolerant of other races (at least round my neck of the woods) or are Americans really that cloistered and caught up in race issues?
re: ferguson/mike brown. regardless of whether you think the evidence is compelling or not, the fact remains that darren wilson wouldn't have been indicted regardless: http://www.stlamerican.com/news/columnists/guest_columnists/article_c98ba178-50b9-11e4-8b41-83bc8185f474.html?TNNoMobile
it's a farce. we're to imagine that the has never been any police culpability for 100s of deaths in police custody in the UK? the 1000s of unarmed civilians shot by the police in the US? that there's never been a bad egg? a moment of madness? -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoRivuzu wrote:
Not sure what you are trying to say here. Bored of the fact that an african american is 21 times more likely to get shot by a police or tired of them pointing this out?
Getting bored of the race card now though.
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@basmans_grob I've seen photos of these cop's injuries - wasn't he supposed to have a fractured eye socket, things like that?
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Registered 16 years agoThe-Bodybuilder wrote:
Is this actually true though? I've just had a look on Google and most results suggest the opposite.
Err most gun related crimes or incidents in the US involve white perpetrators, which makes sense given the majority of the population are white.
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basmans_grob 1,487 posts
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Registered 14 years agoRetroid wrote:
The email with a fractured eye socket was a made up lie, spread by the dodgy end of the right wing press and email chains.
@basmans_grob I've seen photos of these cop's injuries - wasn't he supposed to have a fractured eye socket, things like that?
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If this is accurate it's a big deal. Storify link about Jeff Roorda, Gov. Nixon, and Robert McCulloch
It's a long series of tweets so let me summarise:
In 2001 Jeff Roorda was fired from Missouri police after a series of reports about his misconduct going back to 1996. He got a job as a police officer in another state, eventually returning to Missouri as a police chief, then a Democratic State Rep and currently sits on the Missouri State Safety & Review board.
A few months ago Roorda proposed a bill that would protect the identity of all police officers involved in shootings or other crime, and is also the manager behind the GoFundMe campaign supporting Officer Darren Wilson.
Gov Nixon and Bob McCullough (chief prosecutor for Missouri) are both democrats who have supported Roorda's rise despite knowing about his firing.
Bob McCullough was responsible for the early leak of the store's CCTV showing Mike Brown stealing cigars.
McCullough, according to that link, has a history of choosing not to prosecute officers who have shot and killed black people. -
Empowered with the authority to dispense instant justice, Judge Wilson acts as judge, jury and executioner on the streets of America. He IS the law! -
basmans_grob 1,487 posts
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Registered 14 years agoTheSaint wrote:
Total number of rate? Most of the things I've seen suggest that whites commit less crime by person but because there are more of them the total number involving white people is more.
The-Bodybuilder wrote:
Is this actually true though? I've just had a look on Google and most results suggest the opposite.
Err most gun related crimes or incidents in the US involve white perpetrators, which makes sense given the majority of the population are white.
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@basmans_grob I know, that was my point. I saw that get debunked. Yet I still see it referenced by his supporters / 'not racist, but...' / racists / idiots. -
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Registered 8 years ago@FWB Reminds me of one of the extras on "The Rock" DVD which shows the actual firearm specialists demonstrating how most moves in films are utter tripe. As an example - cops running down street with guns in hands. More likely to shoot themselves and they have zero aim towards the perp - more efficient to holster the weapon and chase or drop the knee and aim from a distance. -
Handgun wounding factors and effectiveness.
Basically in boils down to placement, depth of penetration, and diameter of the cavity. For people, the vast majority of pistol rounds are quite weak.
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