Vice.Destroyer wrote:And that's what the whole issue is. It's just a shame that real issue could get lost in all the drama. The looting and burning of shops and businesses in your own area cannot be condoned.....but sticking it to the man I'm all for. And the end of the day if you've seen the video, the thugs who call themselves police had absolutely no regard to protect and serve the community they're policing. Disgusting behaviour from police.....what do they expect that community to do when seeing the video? Don't think they're gonna give em a pat on the back and fund the next policeman's ball!! |
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Dondiggler 313 posts
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Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agoThere's a brutality to the U.S. Criminal system which breeds resentment, anger, fear and agitation. Having recently had the opportunity to experience a so-far mercifully brief period within it - 13 hours overnight in a 25 by 12 foot concrete holding cell with up to 39 other guys, some of whom had been there four days - I fully get why people would run from the police. I get why there's distrust and resentment.
There's no cure only treatment which will hopefully lead to remission. Beating protestors and calling them thugs is only adding salt to the wound. -
reddevil93 15,997 posts
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Registered 14 years agoI touched on it in the War on Drugs thread but the changing role of Police from protectors to persecutors in the US is getting more and more evident. Especially with the continued militarision of the police force. Much of which is down to assets seized from non-violent drug arrests. -
Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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Registered 9 years agoI guess my thing is, I can understand why these riots are happening - well, as much as someone in my position could understand. The frustration of having this problem going ignored for so long (because, as others have pointed out, this has been going on for a long time), and the anger, and the actions that result from that.
But understanding why something is happening doesn't mean that you have to condone it. It's still wrong, and also unproductive. Maybe you're bringing more media attention if you start torching buildings, but it's the wrong sort of attention. It's not going to help in the long run.
Anyway, I actually don't want this to just be about the behaviour of the protesters (the last couple of posts notwithstanding). I just want to know how the healing can begin, because this problem is not limited to just one or two incidents. There's a fundamental trust deficit, and I don't know how the police will ever earn it back.
EDIT: I'll just put this here. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/04/baltimore_s_failure_is_rooted_in_its_segregationist_past_the_city_s_black.html
EDIT #2: And this. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/nonviolence-as-compliance/391640/
Neither article is intended to reinforce/counter my points. I just always like to read pieces from people who know more about these sorts of things than I do. Ta-nehisi Coates in particular is a great writer.
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Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoSounds like some support protests in New York got messy.
I think the divide between the police and the people is growing ever bigger. People are going in with the assumption that shit will hit the fan so when it does it doesn't have the effect of "Holy shit, these guys will really crack down. Better go home"
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RyanDS 14,073 posts
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Registered 13 years agoAccording to some of my black friends on facebook all this is false flag and no blacks have actually been shot or injured. Rather it is all faked in order to cause a black uprising so that the government has an excuse to bring in permanent martial law and treat the black man badly...
I'm quitting facebook again. I really don't know why I joined again. -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Vice.Destroyer 7,437 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI love it when a page appears, where I agree with every single post.
Khanivor: I hope we don't have to send you a rock hammer.
Reddevil93: That is so true. I remember being flabbergasted at how the police were behaving during operation wall street.
Mola_Ram: "There's a fundamental trust deficit, and I don't know how the police will ever earn it back." Whatever they do, they had better get started, because it will take years.
RyanDS: The tinfoil hat brigade can really make you groan. Social media is awesome for that. Check out what someone said to me once.
Tonka: PsyOps? Haha. They are always busy. -
Vice.Destroyer 7,437 posts
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Registered 15 years agoThere now seems to be the suggestion that Gray died of self-inflicted injuries.
He crushed his own larynx and 80% severed his own spine. Whilst in leg shackles. And handcuffed behind his head.
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Rusty_M 7,172 posts
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Registered 14 years agoThe problem with conspiracy theories, is some of the more outlandish ones turn out to be true. Like the NSA intercepting communications and reptiles trying to take over society.
I don't think the government would try to implement permanent martial law overtly, but I do think that media and some other organisations try to keep the public pissed off at other members of the public to an extent. -
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Vice.Destroyer 7,437 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI have seen a lot of articles of that kind, FWB. It's also quite interesting how the language changes, when (to my eyes) black people cause property damage vs white people causing property damage. But I guess, let's change the world one wrong at a time. .gif)
Changing the subject slightly, have we all seen the Michael Jackson impersonator who has been impersonating in the middle of Baltimore? He is AWESOME! -
Vice.Destroyer 7,437 posts
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Registered 15 years agoLooks like people are now digging into the background of the arresting officers. This one seems like a perfect cop. And by that, I mean he seems more like Weebey than Bunk. -
reddevil93 15,997 posts
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Registered 14 years agoRuled a homicide and 6 police officers have been charged. Hopefully that relieves tensions a small amount -
Vice.Destroyer 7,437 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI guess we have all seen the news now and that that is still not quite enough to calm Baltimore down. As far as I can understand it, this dude was out after the 10pm curfew.
After he got peppersprayed, he got pulled to the ground by his dreads
Then he gets pulled, dragged, face dragging on the ground to the sidewalk. Which is apparently funny.
And then, to make things worse, he gets water put into his face. As every protestor around the world knows that has been peppersprayed, that is the WORST thing you can do. It's milk that you use to wash the chemicals out.
If you fancy seeing the video
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Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoBloody hell. That whole incident is so bizarre it feels staged. What were everyone thinking? From the guy walking up in a Fuck the Police t-shirt to the officer thinking dragging people around by their hair infront of cameras is a good idea. -
Wow. They need lessons in how to de-escalate a situation.
And also how not to brutalise people as well. That would help. -
Vice.Destroyer 7,437 posts
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Registered 15 years agoFunny you should say that, @MrTomFTW
Here is the article that this graphic came from.
It explains things like the origin of the 21 foot rule, which essentially allows police to use deadly force because the time it takes for a person to cross that distance is faster than most cops can unholster, aim and shoot a suspect.
It even has a quote from one of the biggest cunts in law enforcement.
“All this chatter just increases the idea that these encounters are avoidable and law enforcement is at fault,” said Jeff Roorda of the St. Louis Police Officers’ Association
Jeff, you will remember the man that is against body cameras, defended a cop caught on camera punching a handcuffed prisoner coming out of a police wagon full force in the face, got sacked from his job as a cop for falsifying police reports. Not once, but twice. And he is now the president of the St Louis Police Officer's Association. -
It should be noted that they didn't shoot him, so perhaps they're making progress? -
Vice.Destroyer 7,437 posts
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Registered 15 years agoYou have to be grateful for small mercies, I guess. -
Vice.Destroyer 7,437 posts
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Registered 15 years agoThe pushback against the charges is happening. One of the officers is challenging the assertion that the arrest was illegal. It seems that what constitutes an illegal knife is one, that has the blade on a spring (or similar) release, released by a button. If the knife was illegal, the case goes away, apparently. -
Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agoSurely not. The arrest could be totally legal but that bears zero relation to the legality of his death. I would imagine an illegal arrest would only serve to compound the crime committed in his death.
Anyway, who cares about all that shit now ISIS has attacked Murica? -
Khanivor wrote:
and the police saved the day
Surely not. The arrest could be totally legal but that bears zero relation to the legality of his death. I would imagine an illegal arrest would only serve to compound the crime committed in his death.
Anyway, who cares about all that shit now ISIS has attacked Murica?
Thank god, Murican police have guns, what would have happened if they had been unarmed -
Vice.Destroyer 7,437 posts
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Registered 15 years agoDid you hear the one about a guy that stopped by the cops, got told to get on all fours and then got booted in his face? Broke his jaw? Two years ago? And a grand jury found nothing wrong? But somehow, someway (story in the link, along with video of kick, a second grand jury was convened and the cop got arrested? -
Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agoHow the fuck that want an immediate arrest and conviction is beyond me. There is no conceivable reason for such an attack. None. -
Vice.Destroyer 7,437 posts
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Registered 15 years agoIf you can stomach it, here are 100 unarmed people killed by police in 2014. Some, you think on the face of it, it sounds like a clean shoot. Others, you think, come on Mr policeman, you could have tried harder not to kill him. Others you think, Jesus Christ.
And then you see this.
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Vice.Destroyer 7,437 posts
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Registered 15 years agoYikes. The 6 cops from Baltimore that were arrested for the death of Freddy Gray have been indicted by the grand jury. Which is quite huge. Next step for them would now be a day in court, where they will have to justify their actions in front of a judge. -
Vice.Destroyer 7,437 posts
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Registered 15 years agoOh, and Tamir Rice, the 12 year old that was playing with a toy gun and was shot dead by police for it, has just been posthumously charged with some charges, that are that are clearly intended to vindicate the police. -
Ryze 3,767 posts
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Registered 15 years agoTBH I'm really not too surprised about all of this stuff. If the police and general population of England had guns over the past 40 years, then innocent black and brown people would be getting killed all over the shop. People would try to downplay it due to the same statistics regarding gang members and black people.
Some of the biggest and longest running black gangs in the UK and US came about as a result of these communities having the young men gather to protect normal people from being beaten up or worse during normal life - often by the police themselves.
Then there's the job and housing discrimination of the past, where people who managed to move to decent neighbourhoods would have their homes torched. Again - this led to the growth of gangs for protection. Young men unable to get jobs because they're the wrong colour? Well - the gangs also offered an awful mess of a solution due to the drugs trade, when people needed to earn money one way or another, in a society that clearly didn't want them around.
This isn't made up.
It's an absolute mess, and it's going to take generations to fix, as its taken generations to create this sorry situation. It'll happen, though, but not any time soon.
It's most likely going to take a combination of new generations being born, older generations dying off, and some people basically leaving to find a home in different countries once they eventually manage to overcome their colonial past and catch up to the 21st century. India / China are already well on their way, and South America is developing quickly. Not that China was colonised, but they weren't exactly partaking in modern capitalism until more recently.
I wouldn't be surprised if the current situation of migration into North America eventually reverses - in 100-200 years.
I'd be curious to know which people study such things, taking a long term view, so I can do some research.
Yep, this isn't directly about these reports, but these reports are only happening now due to smartphones and the Internet.
Things are actually better than ever, compared to any point in the past dating back to the 1700s.
I can actually drive a car in Manchester without being pulled over and harrassed, accused of speeding (with a police car in my rear view mirror for several miles - OK then) or stealing my own car once a month. Couldn't do that in the 90s.
I don't expect a quick fix, as these are the societies that we live in. It's just that it's hidden behind public silence amongst a small(ish) portion of the population who don't want to be arrested or publicly shamed for saying the 'wrong' words. -
AFAIK the police and the UK general public could legally get firearms for 20 of that 40 year period.
Then we passed laws to change that shit.
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