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It’s OK for PC gamers to be a little arrogant – they know they've backed the right platform • Page 16
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You-can-call-me-kal 23,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoMrMattAdz wrote:
The topic of this thread is not asking whether it's ok for PC gamers to be arrogant. It's say it IS ok for them to be arrogant. A subtle but key difference.
Gus wrote:
How do you mean?
MrMattAdz wrote:
No. It's a statement of fact that it is ok.
The whole topic of this thread started off as "is it OK to call yourself the pc gaming master race (not ironically), as the pc is the better platform?"
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ISmoke 1,700 posts
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Registered 14 years agoWhat do you mean for yonks? 1080@30FPS has only come about recently and it doesn't get any better. 30fps is the perfect FPS because it really captures the cinematic feel developers have told me they were trying to get. Besides, I pitty anyone who thinks they're playing games at 60, 90, 120 or 144fps because the eyes can't see that high -
Saul_Iscariot 4,399 posts
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Registered 9 years agoWhich numbers? Because console gamers have Mario Party 11, though no one brags about it.
MrMattAdz wrote:
And I did say I was going off topic. But some people here have tried to draw a wriggly line between what I said to make it as if I was saying consoles are better than PC's just so they could say no they are not.
@Saul_Iscariot I wasn't talking specifically to you, but even so I don't see how that is remotely on topic.
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MrMattAdz 3,671 posts
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Registered 8 years ago@Gus ok fair enough, but doesn't really change my response to the thread - fanboys can do one. Anyone who limits themselves to one platform and then argues that they are getting the best experience is an idiot. -
My monitor only goes up to 900p and I play some games locked at 30fps 
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Armoured_Bear 31,234 posts
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Registered 10 years agosmoggo wrote:
He may not have been serious.
ISmoke wrote:
No, the human eye can interpret up to about 1000 frames per second. 30(ish)fps is what's needed to give the illusion of smooth movement.
What do you mean for yonks? 1080@30FPS has only come about recently and it doesn't get any better. 30fps is the perfect FPS because it really captures the cinematic feel developers have told me they were trying to get. Besides, I pitty anyone who thinks they're playing games at 60, 90, 120 or 144fps because the eyes can't see that high -
ISmoke 1,700 posts
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Registered 14 years agoI was just playng the ignorant console fanboy, Smoggo. I can definitely tell when my game is running at 144fps even if it drops down to about 70-90 you can feel it. -
Armoured_Bear 31,234 posts
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Registered 10 years agoMrMattAdz wrote:
Exactly, plenty of them in here sadly.
@Gus ok fair enough, but doesn't really change my response to the thread - fanboys can do one. Anyone who limits themselves to one platform and then argues that they are getting the best experience is an idiot. -
MrMattAdz 3,671 posts
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Registered 8 years agosmoggo wrote:
Goodness gracious me, you did not seriously just fall for that right?
ISmoke wrote:
No, the human eye can interpret up to about 1000 frames per second. 30(ish)fps is what's needed to give the illusion of smooth movement.
What do you mean for yonks? 1080@30FPS has only come about recently and it doesn't get any better. 30fps is the perfect FPS because it really captures the cinematic feel developers have told me they were trying to get. Besides, I pitty anyone who thinks they're playing games at 60, 90, 120 or 144fps because the eyes can't see that high -
ISmoke wrote:
Everyone knows that's a myth because at 120 fps your eyes fall out.
I was just playng the ignorant console fanboy, Smoggo. I can definitely tell when my game is running at 144fps even if it drops down to about 70-90 you can feel it.
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MrMattAdz 3,671 posts
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Registered 8 years ago@smoggo don't worry about it, we had to deal with someone in a different thread who was either a complete moron or just a troll. We still don't know which one it was haha. -
myk 796 posts
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Registered 16 years ago30fps is fine if the camera isn't moving. As soon as the camera is moving you want as high a frame rate as possible to eliminate motion judder (which is why the Rift targets locked 75fps). -
ISmoke 1,700 posts
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Registered 14 years agosuper-s1 wrote:
Switching to bionic eyes was the best thing I've ever did.
ISmoke wrote:
Everyone knows that's a myth because at 120 fps your eyes fall out.
I was just playng the ignorant console fanboy, Smoggo. I can definitely tell when my game is running at 144fps even if it drops down to about 70-90 you can feel it. -
DFawkes wrote:
There we go. Fawkes has just settled the Wiimote issue, so Wii (U) owners can piss off back to their baby thread to discuss nappy content.
Saul_Iscariot wrote:
I was curious, so I did this. I had a look at the study that immediately popped up (both of the first 2 look like the same study), and they had a sample size of 15, 3 of which owned and frequently used the Wii themselves already. Not really enough to come to any conclusion in my opinion. Also, in that study they say:
If you google 'is a wiimote more accurate than a mouse' it brings up two links to books on the subject that say that the Wiimote is more accurate and faster.
"The next in line, in terms of throughput, was the Wiimote, with
a throughput of 2.59 bps, 31.5% lower than for the mouse. While
not as good as the mouse, this is respectable for a remote pointing
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mattshark 821 posts
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Registered 8 years ago@DodgyPast But enthusiasts are a minority. Most people have machines much less powerful than that. -
Saul_Iscariot 4,399 posts
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Registered 9 years agoBremenacht wrote:
At least they will read it and not invent their own points to make sure everything is in their favour. And for the record the disparity between a Wiimote and a Mouse has been recorded at 4%, in the Mouses favour, in a scientific test.Source So the mouse is currently faster, which I have not denied. What I said was the Wiimote could get better, which the PCMR took to be a criticism of the state of current affairs and decided to ignore what I said.
DFawkes wrote:
There we go. Fawkes has just settled the Wiimote issue, so Wii (U) owners can piss off back to their baby thread to discuss nappy content.
Saul_Iscariot wrote:
I was curious, so I did this. I had a look at the study that immediately popped up (both of the first 2 look like the same study), and they had a sample size of 15, 3 of which owned and frequently used the Wii themselves already. Not really enough to come to any conclusion in my opinion. Also, in that study they say:
If you google 'is a wiimote more accurate than a mouse' it brings up two links to books on the subject that say that the Wiimote is more accurate and faster.
"The next in line, in terms of throughput, was the Wiimote, with
a throughput of 2.59 bps, 31.5% lower than for the mouse. While
not as good as the mouse, this is respectable for a remote pointing
controller"
All this thread has demonstrated to me is anything that can be taken as a slight against PC gaming will be met with a bunch of fanboys who will only accept any point of discussion if it says that PC gaming is the best thing ever. They cannot justify their complaints or accept the notion that what is more likely to hold back PC gaming are PC gamers that have PC's that are not running in that top percentile but developers still have to cater for. If I said PC games were shite I'd expect to be taken to task. But all I asked was why do PC gamers think console gaming holds back PC games. That they have been unable to furbish an answer to that question isn't my problem. That they have tried to take their answers off into a realm of inventing the question that wasn't asked and saying it just is better is childish. I was even told it was off topic in a thread about why PC gamers are right to choose that format over consoles. -
disusedgenius 10,677 posts
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Registered 14 years agoWhat are you looking at in that source to get 4%? The only line I can find about it is:
Research by Isokoski revealed a 4% increase in throughput when using mouse-down events versus mouse-up events [7].
And this is a test involving 4 kinds of Wiimote controllers. They don't even mention mouse input because they're testing them as remote pointers.
Edit: And, just for the record, I know you're wrong because I've seen the issues with the data you get from the Wiimote. Besides, there are already better remote pointers out there and they still suffer from the same gaming issues.
Edited by disusedgenius at 18:22:31 28-01-2015 -
blah blah blah, says the pissy wiimote fanboy.
Just get a PC and start gaming properly. -
Saul_Iscariot 4,399 posts
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Registered 9 years agoOh chuff off the pair of you. I am not in the mood to have words put in my mouth or be drawn into a conversation based on distraction tactics. The 31.5% that Mr Fawkes brought into the conversation was using the same stats that he disparaged as they weren't a large enough source to be considered reliable. The second source I [provided clearly says that there are differences in the results based on the mounts not different types of Wiimotes. So again you've ignored what is written to suit yourselves then offered into proof something you know but are not providing any evidence to support it.
So I will stick with my belief that the problem is with mid range PC owners, and that you tarts will twist anything that is said in an attempt to justify your choice of platform. -
Bremenacht wrote:
blah blah blah, says the pissy wiimote fanboy.
Just get a PC and start gaming properly.
Seriously though, the wiimote is good for very specific things like swinging a bat or, eh, or.... swinging a tennis racket. For precise aiming or anything else use a kb/m. (Or an actual controller, you know, like the ones in the past for some third person stuff)
Edited by Physically_Insane at 18:39:03 28-01-2015
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Saul_Iscariot wrote:
Oh chuff off the pair of you.Saul_Iscariot wrote:
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And yeah, I like the Wiimote and think it's a neat bit of design, but it really ought not to be compared against other control types. To claim it is 'more accurate' than something is to fairly invite piss-taking. That type of statement is vizzini-like. -
RyanDS 14,074 posts
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Registered 13 years agoWell I just got my new laptop today, installed Skyrim which I haven't played in a year or so. And I learned something new about Steam, my saved games are sitting there. Which was very very cool, and means I carry on my 55 hour game rather than restarting or having to faff around moving saves.
A huge +1 to the PC crowd there, and it means I hate steam slightly less. -
disusedgenius 10,677 posts
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Registered 14 years agoSaul_Iscariot wrote:
...sooooo nothing that helps us compare it to mice then? Well maybe the next thing that comes up in google that contains 'mouse' and 'wiimote' will work out for you. I just recommend reading it first.
The second source I [provided clearly says that there are differences in the results based on the mounts not different types of Wiimotes. So again you've ignored what is written to suit yourselves then offered into proof something you know but are not providing any evidence to support it. -
I've done the count and so far the +1s amount to +5 for the PC and just +2 for consoles. Bearing in mind that consoles start at -3 because of the Wii U, this means the score is actually +5 against -1.
Unless a lot of convincing arguments are made in favour of consoles soon, I suggest that the thread is locked and victory declared for the PC master race.
Edited by Bremenacht at 19:18:58 28-01-2015 -
I wouldn't put the Wii U at -3 at all, it has some damn good games. Being serious, there are actually more games coming up on the Wii-U that I want to play than there are being released on the pc.
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