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Link "Controllers for current consoles have more than doubled [in complexity] from older consoles. They may satisfy the hardcore gamers, but they've become too difficult for more casual gamers," Iwata said. Eh? He obviously hasn't seen the DualShock2 and original DualShock side by side. |
Iwata talks up Revolution specs, controller
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renzo 3,195 posts
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MikeD 10,063 posts
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Registered 18 years agoLol, they are going back to that old joystick with 1 button! (atari, I think). -
The controllers haven't gotten too difficult for more casual gamers, the games have.
FFS - so the pad has eight buttons. There's no law that says you have to USE THEM ALL! -
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pjmaybe 70,666 posts
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Registered 20 years agoThat'd be funny.
Mind you, I was always amazed at how much functionality some developers (Andrew Braybrook f'r instance) got out of that one button (on the C64 at least)
Did mean I still needed mine on the floor to tap the space bar with my foot from time to time though.
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Tiger_Walts 16,674 posts
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Registered 19 years agoRevolutionary indeed, it'll be a Pong paddle. -
Older console controller
Modern controller
I agree with him, you quote him as saying older controllers, not previous generation ones...
Edit: Blerk right too... the games have become MUCH more complex
Edited by Djini at 10:56:52 30-03-2005 -
renzo 3,195 posts
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Registered 19 years agoSure, he might have been referring to NES controllers, but his "controllers have become too difficult for more casual gamers" argument is bollocks.
Edited by renzo at 11:01:50 30-03-2005 -
It's just Nintendo bitching again about the fact that the types of games that they do best are no longer fashionable in their traditional target market. They'd like nothing better than to just dump a few simple platformers and racing games on us like they used to, but that stuff just doesn't sell to 'kids' any more - they want blood and gore and violence and complexity.
Nintendo need to adapt. Stop whining about how everything's too complicated these days and just get on with making some actual games. Note you don't see any actual gamers complaining that today's games are 'too complicated' and 'have too many buttons'.
Edited by Blerk at 11:01:32 30-03-2005 -
MikeD 10,063 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI don't know what market they're going for. But my mother had quite a bit of trouble using analog sticks and getting the buttons right when trying finding nemo, recently. Now, she isn't a gamer. But she could control the megadrive back in the day. (for the odd game of mean bean machine) -
pjmaybe 70,666 posts
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Registered 20 years agoI don't get the controller argument at all. I think the Xbox controller has just the right amount of buttons for the types of games you'd want to play on one, so where's the prob?
Personally I love the Cube's controller (aside from the shoulder buttons which feel like you're pressing your fingers into the eyeballs of a dead ho and the placing of that purple button) - definitely the most comfortable of the bunch.
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IronGiant 6,352 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI'm more than happy with the S Controller and Dual Shock2.. the games i like to play tend to utilize most of the buttons anyway. I've got my C64, SNES and MAME if i want simple gameplay 
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renzo 3,195 posts
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Registered 19 years agoIf casual gamers are finding the controllers too complicated, just who the feck is still buying all those PS2s?? Surely all the 'hardcore' gamers have already got one by now. -
renzo wrote:
Sure, he might have been referring to NES consoles, but his "controllers have become too difficult for more casual gamers" argument is bollocks.
Edited by renzo at 10:59:28 30-03-2005
I have always thought that the complexity of games/controllers can be very offputting to non-gamers and this must harm the market in some way...
I mean, most of us have almost 'grown up' with the games and controllers. As the games and controllers have evolved, so have we (almost).
Imagine being a complete beginner and given an xbox controller and Halo to play (I'm not picking on Halo or the xbox, just an example of MANY)... That's one hell of a steep learning curve... -
MrWorf 64,187 posts
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Registered 20 years agoI reckon the S-Controller is perhaps the best controller ever made, -
Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agoI don't buy the argument either but after playing on my DS I think the reason's he's doing it are spot on. The amount of non-gaming people I've witnessed playing my DS is quite a feat in itself, if I can get those people to play on a console too I'll always have someone to play against. -
tannerd 2,691 posts
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Registered 18 years agoRazz wrote:
I reckon the S-Controller is perhaps the best controller ever made,
Does no-one think the black/white button placement on both xbox controllers is rubbish? -
RichDC 9,177 posts
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Registered 17 years agoRazz wrote:
Cube controller all the way.
I reckon the S-Controller is perhaps the best controller ever made,
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The GameCube pad - Z Button aside - is without a doubt - obligatory in my humble opinion - jesus too many dashes - the best joypad in the world ever!
The analogue stick is marvellous. I wonder how Monkey Ball plays on the Ps2 analogue stick.
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MikeD 10,063 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI'm with razz, the controller-s fits my ahnd almost perfectly. The Cube controller is good, but second.
I've always wondered about the madcatz xbox gamepads though, they always look good. Anyone have one? -
Tiger_Walts 16,674 posts
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Registered 19 years agotannerd wrote:
I don't like it on the S, I'm so used to the 'proper' pad that I can never find them on an S. The Back and Start are in retarded places on the S too, on the original one you could reach them with either thumb, vital when pausing/unpausing a hectic game that requires the thumb to be on the L-stick constantly, like Ninja Gaiden.
Razz wrote:
I reckon the S-Controller is perhaps the best controller ever made,
Does no-one think the black/white button placement on both xbox controllers is rubbish? -
Stevas-mkII 3,848 posts
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Registered 18 years agoThe eyeballs of dead prostitutes, eh? Is that, like, before or after you pop them?
Nah, I don't agree either way. Before popping the eyes are way more squishy, and after they're just... wetter.
I reckon the PS2 joypad is one of the worst designs ever forced on a piece of plastic. Mark my words, the human race is headed toward a plague of warped and mangled hands of epic proportions. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if we evolved fucked-up hands in order to facilitate managing to use the fucking things for more than an hour without experiencing finger-numbing pain. -
spazmo 2,838 posts
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Registered 17 years agoIf the new "controller" is to be so different, then i would assume the ports on the Revolution would be the same as the Cube, allowing Cube controllers to be used with Cube games.
Unless the new controllers offer the same functionality with something "extra"? -
MikeD 10,063 posts
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Registered 18 years agoStevas mkII wrote:
I reckon the PS2 joypad is one of the worst designs ever forced on a piece of plastic. Mark my words, the human race is headed toward a plague of warped and mangled hands of epic proportions.
Indeed. When someone is gaming on the ps2 their hands are shaped like a wrangled dead spider hanging from a his last string. -
Shivoa 6,314 posts
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Registered 20 years agotannerd wrote:
I really like the placement. Means I can use the base of my thumbs to press the buttons when I'm still hovering over the sticks or main buttons/dpad.
Razz wrote:
I reckon the S-Controller is perhaps the best controller ever made,
Does no-one think the black/white button placement on both xbox controllers is rubbish?
When using a classic I really get lost with simple things like start and select, not the mention the problem with diamond button layout. Guess it is what you're used to.
/kicks dual shock
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Nemesis 20,312 posts
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Registered 20 years agoI think the controller-s is a fine little thing. I went up to the in-laws and sorted out their Xbox and picked up the original controller and EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. Horrid.
The Wavebird is still the Master of all controllers for lots of reasons I can't be arsed to write.
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Derblington wrote:
The amount of non-gaming people I've witnessed playing my DS is quite a feat in itself.
^^^^ What he said. Simplified controllers and simplifed games appeal to a larger audience. Obviously, don't simplfy them to the point of retardation or nerfing the game itself, but making it ACCESSIBLE to new players is an important consideration.
You can definately see the difference in direction between Nintendo and Sony/Microsoft.
N are in the games business. MS and Sony are in the entertainment business... Just look at what you can do in the next generation of consoles and what is distinctly missing too when they get released. Nintendos saving grace just might be their blinkered devotion to gaming and nothing else... MS and Sony *will* be going head-to-head for that space under your TV for ALL your entertainment... -
richardiox 10,097 posts
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Registered 17 years agoWavebirds just feel so nice to hold. My fave controller bar none - only the lack of rumble functionality lets it down but i can live with that. -
renzo 3,195 posts
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Registered 19 years agoDjini wrote:
So games are not regarded as entertainment then? That is one of the most irrelevant and meaningless statements I've read in a while. Look at the end product, and the value of that, NOT the companies behind them.
N are in the games business. MS and Sony are in the entertainment business... -
renzo wrote:
Djini wrote:
So games are not regarded as entertainment then? That is one of the most irrelevant and meaningless statements I've read in a while. Look at the end product, and the value of that, NOT the companies behind them.
N are in the games business. MS and Sony are in the entertainment business...
They're all in it for the money.
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