Visiting Japan Page 11

  • anephric 1 Aug 2017 18:14:26 3,383 posts
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    DaM wrote:With shitty trains.
    Unlike Japan, station staff in the UK don't feel the need to actually live in the stations, which might have something to do with it.

    We also don't fine people's relatives when their loved ones commit suicide on the railway. But otherwise...
  • Deleted user 2 August 2017 09:41:48
    FWB wrote:
    3 years and not again. It was fun, but it's a bubble; you will always be limited in what you can do work wise and will never be able to fully integrate.

    You'll be working like a dog too.
    Seems to be the consensus here. Always wanted to live there as a kid, but now that an opportunity is there for me to transfer for work, if only I take some time learning the language, I'm not so sure it's a good idea. Maybe just a week's visit.

    Turned down a job offer in Hong Kong too. Now I just need a reason not to move to Korea and then Asia gets wiped off the map along with Europe after Brexit. :(
  • FWB 2 Aug 2017 09:44:09 56,178 posts
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    Why did you turn down HK? I'd definitely try out there.

    They work you even harder in Korea than Japan, so I hear.

    Edited by FWB at 09:44:35 02-08-2017
  • Deleted user 2 August 2017 10:10:30
    FWB wrote:
    Why did you turn down HK? I'd definitely try out there.

    They work you even harder in Korea than Japan, so I hear.
    :eek: sadly looks like Asia is off the menu, then.

    Turned down HK because my family is from there, so I've visited maybe a half dozen times. It's interesting but I'd never live there. It's chaos 24/7, and being that I'm laid back and that's a crime over there, it doesn't suit me.

    They work you hard too. :-) I know some people who moved there with the company I'm with and they confide that they regret it a bit, although it's somewhat easier to integrate, because colonial reasons.

    Edited by GarlVinland at 10:10:54 02-08-2017
  • uiruki 2 Aug 2017 10:34:24 4,899 posts
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    Certainly the best combination, at least for Japan, is working at a job in your actual home country which pays enough to let you go there regularly while being fluent enough to "go native" while you're there. You get all the kudos of being able to speak and make plenty of friends without having to worry about rush hour trains or office politics. A friend of mine had someone at the office who would maintain a spreadsheet of when people came and left in the morning, lunch etc - not because of any request but just to try and make people look bad.

    Anyway, just about to book my three and a half weeks this November. Going for JLPT N1 this time, hopefully with some old university friends, and it should be a good laugh!

    Now, my turn to ask a question: has anyone used Airbnb over there? It looks like about a 600 saving compared to the hotel I usually go to and I'm used to living in a Tokyo apartment.
  • RyanDS 2 Aug 2017 11:13:10 12,838 posts
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    I've used airbnb a fair bit there. Without exception it was always just being texted a code for a safe outside the for where you pick up the keys. Never saw a landlord and places were always immaculate.
  • uiruki 2 Aug 2017 11:27:01 4,899 posts
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    Sounds good. I've done the Sakura House thing before but it doesn't quite work for less than a month and their furnishings are a bit spartan. I like the idea of being able to make my own coffee in the morning and maybe have someone around for a meal without having to head out immediately. Not that I don't love eating out in Tokyo but sometimes I need a lighter breakfast!
  • senso-ji 2 Aug 2017 11:40:53 9,783 posts
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    uiruki wrote:
    Certainly the best combination, at least for Japan, is working at a job in your actual home country which pays enough to let you go there regularly while being fluent enough to "go native" while you're there.
    I think this strategy pretty much applies to any country. I know a girl who does this in Spain - practices her language skills all year and then takes a month holiday travelling around the country and exploring it without worrying about the language barrier. And it being Spain flights are generally cheap, so she doesn't have to save too much. Although post Brexit, I'd imagine that will change...
  • Zidargh 2 Aug 2017 16:34:35 2,003 posts
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    @senso-ji Yeah. I'm certain this is because we fantasise about other countries offering the 'perfect life', which is what we tend to experience during short-term travel as we deliberately seek out obligation-free comfort.

    It's escapism for the most part.
  • uiruki 2 Aug 2017 16:41:59 4,899 posts
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    I think the perspective given by actually living there helps too. For a start there's no culture shock, which I think would be a potential issue. Obviously on a very short stay it wouldn't make a difference but after the second week I suspect it would start to set in - it did when I took my parents anyway.
  • Armoured_Bear 2 Aug 2017 16:59:15 27,334 posts
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    Right, I'm going to book my flights tonight.
    I've only been once before, spent 1 week split between Osaka and Kyoto 2 years ago.
    I'll be flying to Hong Kong for the weekend then planning flying straight to Okinawa to start my 4 weeks in Japan, ending with a day or so in HK at the end.
    I'm thinking of ..
    1 week Tokyo
    1 week Okinawa prefecture
    4 days Hokkaido
    3 days Kansai area (I missed Kobe and Nara last time)
    1 week ???

    We'd like to have a mix of city and nature, what is unmissable?
    There is so much that appeals:

    Nakasendo postal trail.
    Hakone.
    Kanazawa
    Miyajima
    Nagano??

    Help!
  • Armoured_Bear 2 Aug 2017 17:01:22 27,334 posts
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    uiruki wrote:
    Now, my turn to ask a question: has anyone used Airbnb over there? It looks like about a 600 saving compared to the hotel I usually go to and I'm used to living in a Tokyo apartment.
    I used AIrBnB in Kyoto and Osaka 2 years ago, both places were centrally located, small clean and much cheaper than hotels. I intend to do it again.
  • Armoured_Bear 6 Sep 2017 21:54:35 27,334 posts
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    Right, if I spent 8 days in Tokyo, should we stay just in Shinjuku or split between different areas?
  • One_Vurfed_Gwrx 6 Sep 2017 23:48:43 3,564 posts
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    Stay anywhere you fancy and use the Yamanote etc to get about. Having a home base saves stress :) I usually stay in Asakusa but I tend to go low budget so... Perhaps base it on if you plan late evening activities.

    Never stayed that many days in Tokyo though, usually 4 or 5 days max at a time.
  • uiruki 7 Sep 2017 06:36:37 4,899 posts
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    Yeah, the trains are good enough. And if you can walk there's definitely a week of stuff to do just within walking distance of Shinjuku anyway. I can't recommend trying to tote cases across Tokyo multiple times if you can help it, especially through Shinjuku station - you'll find it sprawling and confusing enough without luggage.
  • Armoured_Bear 11 Sep 2017 10:20:12 27,334 posts
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    Yeah, I think I'll just get one AIrBnB in Shinjuku or Shibuya and stay there.
  • Armoured_Bear 11 Sep 2017 10:24:09 27,334 posts
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    So, our plan was going to look like this:
    1 week Okinawa
    1 week Hokkaido
    1 week Honshu
    1 week Tokyo

    However, the Hokkaido week will be the last week in October and it seems as if the Autumn Leaves will be gone almost everywhere in Hokkaido and it'll be getting cold so it would be better to save it for a future trip earlier in the year.
    Instead, I was thinking that we could go from Okinawa to Yakushima and from there to Nagaski/Fukoaka before heading to Honshu and visiting places like Nara on the way to Tokyo.

    Thoughts?
  • uiruki 11 Sep 2017 10:26:53 4,899 posts
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    Leaving stuff for "the next time" is a good way to justify heading back again!
  • Armoured_Bear 11 Sep 2017 10:37:13 27,334 posts
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    uiruki wrote:
    Leaving stuff for "the next time" is a good way to justify heading back again!
    If we enjoy it as much as last time, there will be plenty of next times.
    The food alone is justification for many repeat visits!
  • uiruki 11 Sep 2017 10:49:38 4,899 posts
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    Yeah, even in places I've spent a lot of time, there are still plenty of things to do and places to eat I've not been to. Not that I'm not looking forward to my first meals at places like Mammoth, Warito and Kirakutei!
  • One_Vurfed_Gwrx 11 Sep 2017 10:55:51 3,564 posts
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    Hokkaido is best kept for the winter anyway. It was like when I wanted to see Siberia, a humid muggy summer was not the image of the area I was aiming for :)

    I only did Hokkaido once while I was living near Osaka but enjoyed it, visited Shiraoi for Jigomudani and Potorotokan (spelling? The Ainu 'museum') and Otaru for the lantern festival and Tenguyama. I could have done with a little more time there though.
  • Armoured_Bear 9 Oct 2017 08:44:08 27,334 posts
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    Woohoo, 4 sleeps left!
    Plan is...
    1 night Hong Kong
    1 night Naha (Okinawa)
    4 nights Miyako Islands
    4 nights Yaeyema Islands
    1 night Osaka
    2 nights Kinosaki Onsen
    3 nights Osaka (day trips to Nara and maybe Himeji/Kobe)
    2 nights Takayama
    2 nights Kanazawa
    5 nights Tokyo
    1 night Lake Kawaguchiko
    3 nights Tokyo
    1 night Hong Kong

    /Excited
  • wobbly_Bob 9 Oct 2017 10:02:09 5,144 posts
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    @Armoured_Bear

    Wow, that's going to be amazing :)
  • Deleted user 9 October 2017 10:35:23
    That sounds amazing :) (and expensive)!
  • DaM 9 Oct 2017 10:44:39 17,373 posts
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    Bastard!

    /jealous

    I'm spending too much time watching my Japan holiday photos on the Apple tv screen saver.
  • Armoured_Bear 9 Oct 2017 14:51:35 27,334 posts
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    GarlVinland wrote:
    That sounds amazing :) (and expensive)!
    Hopefully it will be, cheers!

    It won't be a cheap holiday but last time in Osaka and Kyoto it was cheaper than I expected, Tokyo will be quite a bit more expensive I expect.
    Still, living in Switzerland means that nowhere is outlandishly expensive in comparison :)
  • Armoured_Bear 9 Oct 2017 14:51:58 27,334 posts
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    wobbly_Bob wrote:
    @Armoured_Bear

    Wow, that's going to be amazing :)
    Cheers, food will be shit though, that's the only problem.
  • Armoured_Bear 9 Oct 2017 14:52:38 27,334 posts
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    DaM wrote:
    Bastard!

    /jealous

    I'm spending too much time watching my Japan holiday photos on the Apple tv screen saver.
    I could send you some of mine to add some variety.
  • DaM 9 Oct 2017 15:29:28 17,373 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    DaM wrote:
    Bastard!

    /jealous

    I'm spending too much time watching my Japan holiday photos on the Apple tv screen saver.
    I could send you some of mine to add some variety.
    At least you are going different places, I think I have a lot of the standard touristy ones. I like just random ones in the street.

    I found Japan quite reasonably priced for a lot of things. I am extremely tight, but was quite surprised at the prices for food.
  • Armoured_Bear 9 Oct 2017 15:52:58 27,334 posts
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    DaM wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    DaM wrote:
    Bastard!

    /jealous

    I'm spending too much time watching my Japan holiday photos on the Apple tv screen saver.
    I could send you some of mine to add some variety.
    At least you are going different places, I think I have a lot of the standard touristy ones. I like just random ones in the street.

    I found Japan quite reasonably priced for a lot of things. I am extremely tight, but was quite surprised at the prices for food.
    I remember our first meal in Osaka, we wandered into an Izakaya, had the most amazing crab I've ever tasted, sashimi and other stuff, beer, sake etc. and it was 40 quid for two.
    Seriously good food as well.
    I think a bowl of incredible ramen soup with pork was 7 quid or so.
    You can go mega high end but you can spend little for great food, that was my limited experience last time.
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