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D_Mantis 2 Jul 2015 16:02:54 486 posts
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Nintendo need to get back to no frills gaming, no gimmicks just do gaming better than anybody else.

Deleted user 2 July 2015 16:19:59

I think if a new home console was to be released next year then having it be more powerful than the current gen is an easy selling point.

However if they get it right parity could be successful, as long as games are easily ported.

Keep the indies on side, don't have a confused message and make sure the first party games are at least as good as the Wii U and they may be able to claim back some market share. It couldn't hurt to have the Fifas and CODs on your console either.

acousticwilliam 2 Jul 2015 16:21:01 811 posts
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A few days ago wasn't there a Nintendo statement about why they don't release during the summer?

A rumour is a rumour until it's not a rumour, but doesn't that contradict this rumour?

Deleted user 2 July 2015 16:21:25

Also for personal reasons stop making hardward out of matt and start matching control schemes on other consoles. For example, analogue triggers etc..

It's all very well having unique inputs but nail the standard first so you can accomodate all genres.

JoelStinty 28 Jul 2015 10:34:01 9,530 posts
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Well the first two games for the NX have been announced.

Dragon Quest X, and XI

[Insert more third party support than the U joke in here]

Edited by JoelStinty at 10:34:58 28-07-2015

Malek86 28 Jul 2015 10:40:13 12,331 posts
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Of course, those games will probably make it there after the PS4/3DS version.

So we can have more jokes about how they are still only getting late ports.

ResidentKnievel 28 Jul 2015 11:32:52 7,679 posts
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Betting 2 EG BUX that the NX gets the port from the 3DS rather than the PS4.

SteJones 28 Jul 2015 11:38:56 432 posts
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That would be the most disappointing first game for a console ever. "And to make you buy our new console, here's something that's the same on that thing you already own. And much worse than the PS4 version."

Edited by SteJones at 11:39:45 28-07-2015

Armoured_Bear 28 Jul 2015 11:48:42 31,234 posts
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I originally thought that this announcement was a good sign for the NX being (at least) a home console that wasn't too far away from the PS4 but of course it could just be a handheld with a tarted up version of the 3DS game so we're none the wiser.

brigadier 28 Jul 2015 11:59:04 1,036 posts
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I can't wait for the Assassins Creed Unity port.

Armoured_Bear 28 Jul 2015 12:08:28 31,234 posts
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brigadier wrote:
I can't wait for the Assassins Creed Unity port.

Here all week?

brigadier 28 Jul 2015 12:13:52 1,036 posts
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Armoured_Bear wrote:

brigadier wrote:
I can't wait for the Assassins Creed Unity port.
Here all week?

Only when I have a crap joke.

beastmaster 28 Jul 2015 12:24:38 22,373 posts
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It could also be more powerful than the PS4 too. Nintendo must know now that they need to go for POWAH :-)

Wii U showed that if third parties don't support the machine, it'll fail. At least they've ditched the fucking stupid Wii name part of it.

Armoured_Bear 28 Jul 2015 12:43:20 31,234 posts
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beastmaster wrote:
It could also be more powerful than the PS4 too. Nintendo must know now that they need to go for POWAH

Wii U showed that if third parties don't support the machine, it'll fail. At least they've ditched the fucking stupid Wii name part of it.

Nx is just a code name

brigadier 28 Jul 2015 12:44:23 1,036 posts
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Well... We don't know that for sure. NX is just a codename.

mal 28 Jul 2015 12:50:14 29,326 posts
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But third parties didn't really support the Wii until it became necessary to at least shovel some shit out on it. Even the DS and GBA didn't get a lot of third party support out in the initial months. In their history, I can only think of the Cube and the SNES that had good third party support from the off (and support for the Cube petered off pretty quickly).

CosmicFuzz 28 Jul 2015 12:50:54 32,632 posts
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WiiNeverLearn

CosmicFuzz 28 Jul 2015 12:53:08 32,632 posts
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Problem with third parties is that they aren't going to spend the money making pared down versions of their games to work on last gen tech for a tiny audience.

Unless the NX is on par with PS4/Xbox One and has a normal control scheme, I can't see third parties being interested in the slightest. It's a vicious cycle of no third parties because no audience -> no games -> no audience -> no third parties because no audience etc, but Nintendo have to blink first and at least make it a level playing field.

LittleSparra 28 Jul 2015 13:00:11 7,926 posts
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GC ruled.

beastmaster 28 Jul 2015 13:12:19 22,373 posts
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Won't be anything till E3 next year then apart from the odd game announcement?

They certainly can't have it less powerful than the One spec wise. They'll just get destroyed by gamer and press alike. Needs to be a very clear message too.

Here's the new machine. Here's the new controller. Here's how it works with mobile. Here's how it works with VR (if they do that) and here are the fucking games. Now go out and buy the fucking thing! It's available to buy worldwide from TOMORROW!!

Edited by beastmaster at 13:12:51 28-07-2015

mal 28 Jul 2015 13:15:58 29,326 posts
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To be fair, I'm conflating first party and second party when I say 'first party'. IIRC ubergine, the only true third party games in your list are the RE games (and F-Zero's a kind of weird half-way house - devved third party, published first party). I also forget the complete history of Rogue Leader and Eternal Darkness, but I think those developers were second party when they developed those games (in that they were majority owned by Nintendo, like Retro was for Prime)

Malek86 28 Jul 2015 13:23:22 12,331 posts
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Second party is kind of a useless term, in that a game is either published by the hardware maker (first party) or not (third party).

People usually refer as second party games those made by a company with no affiliation to the hardware maker but still published by it. For example, Eternal Darkness was made by Silicon Knights, who at the time had absolutely no connection to Nintendo, so it wasn't considered first party. However, it technically was first party.

Now that hardware makers publish a whole lot of stuff, the term has fallen in disuse. Good, since it was just confusing.

Rhaegyr 28 Jul 2015 13:23:35 5,499 posts
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beastmaster wrote:
Won't be anything till E3 next year then apart from the odd game announcement?

They certainly can't have it less powerful than the One spec wise. They'll just get destroyed by gamer and press alike. Needs to be a very clear message too.

Here's the new machine. Here's the new controller. Here's how it works with mobile. Here's how it works with VR (if they do that) and here are the fucking games. Now go out and buy the fucking thing! It's available to buy worldwide from TOMORROW!!

That worked out well for the Saturn

JoelStinty 28 Jul 2015 13:37:20 9,530 posts
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beastmaster wrote:

They certainly can't have it less powerful than the One spec wise. They'll just get destroyed by gamer and press alike. Needs to be a very clear message too.

!!

It is kind of sad that gamers and press mostly see the industry through one lens; Power.
But i agree with you in , especially at first, the sentiment from gamers and press if it isn't a machine that displays super duper graphics , will be really negative. And that instantly puts nintendo on the backfoot.

which i think is a shame.

I've mostly been a sony and nintendo gamer..well always really, but mostly sat in the sony camp. But to be honest..my ps4 as been a waste of money. There is fuck all good triple a titles on it, Bloodborne, drive club and batman aside, the rest is distinctly average. (The witcher is in between, started of amazing, but yeah falls into generic fetch quest trappings)

And resogun. That game is great.

So... i don't really care that much for third parties. I'm more interested at the moment in nintendo games and indies. And i don't need a super duper machine to play them. To be honest the wii u ..is kind of right on point in that regard.

I be perfectly happy with a similar machine, with, yeah perhaps slightly more power, and something new on the table in terms of ideas.

But obviously, thats just me. I understand people want other things.

Edited by JoelStinty at 13:51:39 28-07-2015

You-can-call-me-kal 28 Jul 2015 13:39:16 23,013 posts
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Malek86 wrote:
Second party is kind of a useless term, in that a game is either published by the hardware maker (first party) or not (third party).

People usually refer as second party games those made by a company with no affiliation to the hardware maker but still published by it. For example, Eternal Darkness was made by Silicon Knights, who at the time had absolutely no connection to Nintendo, so it wasn't considered first party. However, it technically was first party.

Now that hardware makers publish a whole lot of stuff, the term has fallen in disuse. Good, since it was just confusing.

The phrases are completely misunderstood by the entire gaming industry and community for some weird reason.

In any transaction there are two parties. Buyer and Seller. If someone else gets involved somehow they are a third party. That's it. That's what the phrase means. It's very simple. If anyone is the "second party" it's us, the consumer.

Edited by Gus at 13:39:36 28-07-2015

CosmicFuzz 28 Jul 2015 13:51:53 32,632 posts
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I don't think that's what it means. I've certainly never heard anyone refer to the consumers as "second party".

Although I confess I've always been confused by them, so what do I know.

You-can-call-me-kal 28 Jul 2015 13:56:15 23,013 posts
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That's what it means. It's a fact.

Nobody every refers to second or first parties in normal circumstances, because there is no need. There's always two parties in a transaction. It's only when you have to bring in someone else that you start talking about a "third party".

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