Khanivor wrote:At the last Olympic Games China were 2nd in the medals table, and Japan were 5th, so that's a very inaccurate statement. |
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Registered 18 years agoBlankOBlank! wrote:
But, IMO, the correct view. Sadly you need to have slightly more intelligence than a stuffed animal to fully grasp it, which is why the british public is so fucked up, hence the appaling treatment of your wife on the train, which I'm sorry to hear about.
Khanivor wrote:
Sorry sir, but that's a dangerous view.
Like sexism there's yet another sad element to racism. Because the battle lines are drawn with such a heavy hand there's no room for acknowledging the real and verifiable differences between the races. Just like men and women are not the same, neither are people from different races.
Men and women are different. People of culture A and culture B are different. People of race 1 and race 2 are different. This cannot be denied.
However it's what you DO with them differences that counts, and that's where most people fuck up big time. -
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Registered 18 years agohell, even 2 people of the same race and culture are different. Not all men are created equal. But they should still be treated thusly. -
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Registered 20 years agorenzo wrote:
Khanivor wrote:
At the last Olympic Games China were 2nd in the medals table, and Japan were 5th, so that's a very inaccurate statement.
Hence the dominance of African athletes in comparison to Asian ones
By athlete I meant track & field, primarily running. I shoud have qualified. -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoMikeD wrote:
Exactly.
hell, even 2 people of the same race and culture are different. Not all men are created equal. But they should still be treated thusly. -
hulahoops 2,311 posts
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Registered 20 years agoThe problem with your generally valid points, Khanivor, is that "funny little thing called genetics" has caused civilisations in the past to consider other races to be inherently inferior. It's the basis of white supremacy.
While yes, obviously there are generally physical differences between races, you know and I know that they're not the differences which are in question.
Overwhelming evidence proves that the differences are no more than physical.
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hulahoops 2,311 posts
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Registered 20 years agoLutz wrote:
I may be wrong here, but could you explain what the crucial differences between race 1 and 2 could possibly be?
Men and women are different. People of culture A and culture B are different. People of race 1 and race 2 are different. This cannot be denied.
Even if I had a job vacancy for a physically capable person, I'm not going to screen the CVs and weed out the asians, I'd interview them and see for myself who is most physically capable.
I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I'm genuinely confused as to what you and Khanivor feel these racial differences to be..gif)
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Registered 17 years agoWhitey McCool wrote:
Here's a thought;
What if widescale immigration leading to a Multicultural society simply cant work because of flaws in human nature?
Look at racism against Bangladeshi immigrants in London, theres a large concentration in exactly the same place that there was a large Jewish population in the 30s (not 100% but I think its either Old Kent Road or the other Brown). Eventually the Jewish population was persecuted so much they moved out. Now the Bangladeshi population is being subjected to the same.
Enoch Powell was a brilliant politician, its not uncommon to hear him spoke of in revered tones in political diaries of the time - and yet he threw his entire legacy away with a reactionary, inflamatory speech that whichever way you look at it, was racist. The point he was making however was that multicultural societies contain inherent problems - is it really that much of a jump from "Rivers of Blood" to race riots in Oldham? In Burnley? In Bradford?
Is British society today, on average, educated enough not to seize upon what is immediately different as a scapegoat for what is wrong? In any constituency in this country I'd bet you could find someone that would blame crime/lack of housing/lack of benefits on Asylum seekers, despite the fact that from a purely statistical point of view they are unlikely to be a major factor.
Obviously everybody has a responsibility to educate themselves (and their children) about the evils and illogical conclusions of racism - I'd say 99% of the people on this forum are probably more than aware of how inherently nonsensical Racism is. But in terms of the country as a whole? I wonder. When I think about everyone I know, the thought occurs that the British people simply arent as enlightened as we sometimes give them credit for.
Add to this the fact that there are, real, concrete problems with multiculturalism and it starts to get scary. We as the public must share some responsibility; to speak out whenever we hear racism. To make it clear that it isnt acceptable. But the government has an even bigger responsibility, to create a climate where people can criticise racism without being accussed of being "politically correct", to TACKLE the problems of multiculturalism instead of hiding under a blanket of phoney-compassion for fear of being called racist.
The more I think about it the one conclusion I always come to is that politicians are failing us on this issue, and THAT is a very dangerous thing.
EDIT: Threw not through
Edited by Whitey McCool at 10:59:06 06-04-2005
A great post, only marred by your name LOL whitey!
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renzo 3,195 posts
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Registered 19 years agoKhanivor wrote:
Ok, but you did say 'athlete', so it was open to interpretation.
renzo wrote:
Khanivor wrote:
At the last Olympic Games China were 2nd in the medals table, and Japan were 5th, so that's a very inaccurate statement.
Hence the dominance of African athletes in comparison to Asian ones
By athlete I meant track & field, primarily running. I shoud have qualified.
I think Blanko summed it up well. And besides, I could point to a Chinese guy winning the Men's 110m Hurdles and argue this forever. -
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Registered 18 years agorenzo wrote:
But the African athletes were running for America and European countries. He meant athletes with African roots, I think!
Khanivor wrote:
At the last Olympic Games China were 2nd in the medals table, and Japan were 5th, so that's a very inaccurate statement.
Hence the dominance of African athletes in comparison to Asian ones -
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Registered 18 years agorenzo wrote:
Aye but he was on drugs and instead of jumping the hurdles, he was running underneath them. J/K.
Khanivor wrote:
Ok, but you did say 'athlete', so it was open to interpretation.
renzo wrote:
Khanivor wrote:
At the last Olympic Games China were 2nd in the medals table, and Japan were 5th, so that's a very inaccurate statement.
Hence the dominance of African athletes in comparison to Asian ones
By athlete I meant track & field, primarily running. I shoud have qualified.
I think Blanko summed it up well. And besides, I could point to a Chinese guy winning the Men's 110m Hurdles and argue this forever. -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoBlankOBlank! wrote:
Obvious ones are one is black and one is white. Others are on genetic levels (Chinese people are much more likly to have poor eye sight for example, than a "white british" person).
Lutz wrote:
I may be wrong here, but could you explain what the crucial differences between race 1 and 2 could possibly be?
Men and women are different. People of culture A and culture B are different. People of race 1 and race 2 are different. This cannot be denied.
The catch is, what do you do with these differences? Nothing, except acknowledge them. They ARE there, you cannot hide from them. They make very little difference in our lives, and it's only racist when they are acted upon in a negative way. For example, "You can't have this job cos you're black". That's is simply racist. Saying "You can't have this job because you're under qualified" and the person happens to be black is not racist.
Also, have a look at athletes. Some races simply have differences than other races in certain areas. It's as plain as day. It's not a good thing, or a bad thing, it's simply fact. This can sometimes mean that one race can do one thing better than another. Again, that is not racist, just fact. -
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Registered 20 years agoI should have clarified what an athlete was in my opinion. I was brought up in an age when darts players and skateboarders weren't considered athletes.
There are many small and a few major physcial differences between the races. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some very minor mental differences as well.
But that doesn't matter. Just like I think quadropalegics should have the same rights as tightrope walkers, so I think all people of all races and sexes should be treated with equal grace or equal disdain, depending on what the indvidual is up to.
And yeah Sid, that's ecatly what I meant -
hulahoops 2,311 posts
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Registered 20 years agoLutz, I was talking about mental differences rather than physical, sorry, I should have made that more clear.
Khanivor, this is the crucial point - you say that you 'wouldn't be surprised' if there were mental differences.
To my knowledge, none have been found. As soon as they are, I will happily relinquish my view that races are different in any way but physically.
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Registered 17 years agoThis is why I love EG 
This week or maybe last there was a thread entitled 'Goddamn creationist'.
Where everyone bar a brave few stood up for evolution right?
Now either some races of people are better than others at some things OR evolution is a big pile of pants!
Argue with that!
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Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoBlankOBlank! wrote:
Ah right.
Lutz, I was talking about mental differences rather than physical, sorry, I should have made that more clear.
No, AFAIK there are none genetically. I think there may be some due to cultral upbring though, but of course that's only an opinion. -
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Registered 19 years agoHeh. I was only half taking the piss with that athlete argument, so I didn't expect anyone to go into so much depth about it!
Bill Door wrote:
Our long distance runners only got one bloomin' medal though! Bloody negligible advantage if you ask me.
As with the Kenyans, the black South African runners accumulated less lactate and had higher levels of key muscle enzymes.
edit: too many bloody 'bloody's
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Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agosam_spade wrote:
It was an example. I'd never work in a country where the primary tongue wasn't English. Ever.
But that's no barrier to working in Spain.
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renzo 3,195 posts
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Registered 19 years agoResearch in South Africa jibes with the Copenhagen group's findings.
Completely OT here, but is that the correct use of the word 'jibes'?
From AskOxford.com
jibe1
(also gibe)
• noun an insulting or mocking remark.
• verb make jibes.
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Registered 17 years agoThere's one thing that's which has crept up repeatedly in this discussion which continues to baffle me. Over and over again we've seen variations on arguments which assume there to be a finite number of jobs with an economy.
This is, to put it bluntly, a load of crap.
Think about it - (to use a cliche) if an immigrant comes into the country and opens up a restaurant selling a style of food not previously available, how many jobs have been lost? Answer: none. In fact he's created jobs - both within the restaurant itself, in his delivery force, he's increased orders to suppliers and so on and so forth. He's created a net gaain in jobs and has contributed to an overall increase in wealth.
Even if the guy isn't creating a business, he's still going to make use of services, purchase products and rely on civil infrastructure which all contributes to wealth creation and the number of jobs available. -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoYes, but what if the market is saturated already? -
martu 47 posts
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Registered 19 years agoErm after reading all this I'd just like to point out there is only one 'race' of humans on this planet.
If you disagree can you please define the different races. -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoThere's only one species...
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1: A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics. -
Khanivor wrote:
I'm not saying people should be treated different because of their race, but there's this funny little thing called genetics, which means people from different races have different characteristics. Hence the dominance of African athletes in comparison to Asian ones, or the increased risk to certain diseases that certain racial groups have.
The intolerance of racism is equaly shared by both sides of the argument. We cannot talk about differences in race without either getting the antis knickers in a twist or having to worry about giving the bigots ammunition for their cause.
In other words, we cannot have an adult discussion untill people stop puffing out their chest and hoping onto the nearest soapbox the instant someone expresses a view outside of the orthodoxy. I'm in no way accusing you in particular or even think you guilty of this Blanko, rather people in general.
And like many subjects that pivot on the issue of tolerance, the intolerance of others is amusingly baffling. Immigration is not a race issue, unless you are a racist. For the rest of us it is linked to many things which annoy and upset regardless of the colour of the person's skin.
Edited by Khanivor at 12:40:11 06-04-2005
Finally somebody who thinks like i do, i hate the PC crew who try to brain wash you into thinking everybody is an indentical clone of one another.
if they are a difference colour to you, its because they have difference genetics to you - and this could extend to some degree to personality traits, but judging anybody based on genetics alone is wrong as i think the largest portion of our personality is shaped by memory and experiance rather than genetics.
Still, its good to admit we're different and make the most of it than brush it under the carpet incase your called a racist, people from different cultures have evolved slightly difference in order to best suit the enviroment they originaly came from, thats basic darwin stuff. people seem to forget that black people have black skin as its better adapted for hot weather.
Give a few thousend years and all cultures will be so interblended that you'll only get one 'colour', which in my oppinion will make the world a bit more bland.
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Sid-Nice 15,848 posts
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Registered 18 years agoWye there's The Blaydon Races for a start. -
martu 47 posts
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Registered 19 years agoLutz wrote:
There's only one species...
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1: A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
Ok could you define the races please? -
Lutz 48,870 posts
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Registered 18 years agoAfro-Carribean, Caucasian, Asian, Chinese etc... -
Dalek, that's another one. -
martu 47 posts
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Registered 19 years agoLutz wrote:
Afro-Carribean, Caucasian, Asian, Chinese etc...
Ok that's pretty vague - what makes one a member of one of these races?
For example what race is Rio Ferdinand? -
martu wrote:
I dunno. Where is he inherantly from?
For example what race is Rio Ferdinand?
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