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  • Deleted user 20 November 2002 21:31:05
    "underlying implementation is broken" of which there are thousands of variants you would have to be able to cope with on the PC. APIs do not hide the hardware from you completely.

    Again, you're confusing layers. An API is designed to shield you from the underlying implementation. It's trivial to write a piece of perfect OpenGL code that works on one hardware/driver combo and fails on another. The fault isn't with the OpenGL code it's with the underlying implementation.
  • Deleted user 20 November 2002 22:52:55
    Ahab wrote:
    Do you actually develop software yourself?
    Feersum Boundah wrote:
    Yes. It works. Period.

    So your program works with all hardware/software combinations possible, is immune to all bugs known to Windows and you have manage to do this single handedly??

    I am impressed.

    Edited by Cheese McPhee at 22:53:20 20-11-2002
  • Deleted user 20 November 2002 22:53:44
    Ahab wrote:
    Do you actually develop software yourself?
    Feersum Boundah wrote:
    Yes. It works. Period.

    So your program works with all hardware/software combinations possible, is immune to all bugs known to Windows and you have manage to do this single handedly??

    I am impressed.


    Edited by Cheese McPhee at 22:54:21 20-11-2002
  • Tiitiz 20 Nov 2002 23:41:18 1,128 posts
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    Feersum Boundah - You have no idea about the games industry do you. It appears that like myself quite a few people here work among games day by day in whatever form and have exactly the same thoughts but you.

    If there is one thing we all agree on here at EG. It's that you FB have very little or no practical knowledge. All your ideas and thoughts are complete theory and wishful thinking.


    Even the Matrix had flaws in its software ;)
  • Deleted user 21 November 2002 00:03:44
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  • Deleted user 21 November 2002 00:16:25
    Tiitiz wrote:
    You have no idea about the games industry do you. It appears that like myself quite a few people here work among games day by day in whatever form and have exactly the same thoughts but you.

    You're welcome to those thoughts if it keeps you happy. Discussing the truth and validity of the points and the issues they raise would be more productive. Additionally, they're applicable in any software development context.

    If there is one thing we all agree on here at EG. It's that you FB have very little or no practical knowledge. All your ideas and thoughts are complete theory and wishful thinking.

    Discussing abstractions encourages understandable and easy discussion, and makes it easy for people like you to take what I say out of context and twist its meaning into whatever words you want to put in my mouth.

    Talking about anything with you is a waste of time as you ignore whatever merit is contained within the post and manufacture the first excuse you can to have a personal dig.

    Come back and talk to me when you've got a clue.
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  • sam_spade 21 Nov 2002 00:17:24 15,745 posts
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  • sam_spade 21 Nov 2002 00:22:01 15,745 posts
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    I am big fan of the human element, if everything worked perfectly I wouldn't be able to vent my frustrations at faceless developers.

    In essence it is the flaws that add character to things, particularly software. The BSOD is infuriating but sometimes the perfect excuse to pop out for a fag or a cuppa.

    Edited by sam_spade at 00:31:15 21-11-2002
  • Tiitiz 21 Nov 2002 07:23:14 1,128 posts
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    Come back and talk to me when you've got a clue.

    Thats the funniest thing you have said yet. Thats just how much you actually mean to us on EG. If you wanted to show how intelligent you actually were then you would have shut up after post 1.

    When you start having sources for all your fairy tales then people may start listening to you. As it stands now, people dont give a F**ckiing S**t anymore what you have to say. You will never recieve 1 post of respect if you carry on like this so it might be worth thinking of a new career or a holiday outside of your fantasy mind.

    We all wish products never had problems, but there is no way in hell unless we all revert to consoles (1 spec machine). We all know how you feel about that dont we.

    Once again. LOL!
  • Deleted user 21 November 2002 08:02:29
    Tiitiz,

    Just because I present opinions that look at problems from another angle or challenge established opinions doesn't give you an excuse to argue for arguments sake or knock chunks out of me for free.

    The layer seperation, blame shifting, and quality control issues I've raised, are all sensible and reasonable issues for anyone involved with software in either the development or end-user domains.

    By damning the points I raise you deny reality. You know this is true. Throwing black propoganda in my direction won't change that even if it makes you feel better.
  • ssuellid 21 Nov 2002 08:35:24 19,141 posts
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    FB this perfect code of yours is only perfect in the editor view pane - as soon as the compiler and linker get hold of it bugs can be introduced.

    The APIs do not abstract everything from the hardware. If you program for more than one varient of windows you have to cater for the differences within the application. The scheduling differences alone between the win95 and NT based OSs are massive. Also the difference between processors is not wrapped up nicely within APIs - you have code optimised for Athlons and seperate code optimised for Pentium processors in the same application.
  • Deleted user 21 November 2002 09:03:05
    Feersum Boundah wrote:
    The layer seperation, blame shifting, and quality control issues I've raised, are all sensible and reasonable issues for anyone involved with software in either the development or end-user domains.
    you feel better.

    Then why do companies such as Microsoft, Nvidia, EA spend millions of pounds on Quality Assurance if they can get developers to write a program without bugs?

    For fun?
  • Dirtbox 21 Nov 2002 09:19:10 91,433 posts
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  • Mr_Sleep 21 Nov 2002 12:09:45 23,487 posts
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    Cheese McPhee wrote:
    EA spend millions of pounds on Quality Assurance

    You mean that EA actually spend money on products instead of churning out the same crap every year. Are you perhaps referring to a different EA? ;)
  • MrWorf 21 Nov 2002 12:19:39 63,835 posts
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    Fucking cheeky git! >B|
    EA make brilliant games!

    Edited by Razz at 12:19:47 21-11-2002
  • Tiitiz 21 Nov 2002 12:27:48 1,128 posts
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    I detect a EA fanboy called Razz. hehe... only joking, you most likely work for them
  • JabbaDaHut 21 Nov 2002 12:29:16 651 posts
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    I tried to post about this yesterday to call in to question the 'perfect code' that Fb was talking about but I was too tired...I'll just say this - God is among us all people, bow to him and do not question him.
  • Mr_Sleep 21 Nov 2002 12:32:08 23,487 posts
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    Razz wrote:
    Fucking cheeky git! >B|
    EA make brilliant games!

    Yep and still churn out the same fifa games year after year and cash in on every possible franchise they can, they are an evil multi national company who force hard working companies like Bullfrog into the stale company they are now.
  • gizmo 21 Nov 2002 12:32:15 2,100 posts
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    If we have amongst us someone who can write perfect code, then we have amongst us a fool with little experience.

    Either that or his "hello world" program has been tested a million times.
  • MrWorf 21 Nov 2002 12:35:13 63,835 posts
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    EA would be around today if they didn't "make" good games! Fool!

    Edited by Razz at 12:35:36 21-11-2002
  • Mr_Sleep 21 Nov 2002 12:42:38 23,487 posts
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    Razz wrote:
    EA would be around today if they didn't "make" good games! Fool!

    *confused*
  • MrWorf 21 Nov 2002 12:44:09 63,835 posts
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    Really? Why are you confused, can you not comprehend good business?
  • Mr_Sleep 21 Nov 2002 12:49:06 23,487 posts
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    My confusion was over your sentence Razz, it makes no sense. It's only good business if you admire capitalism, I don't like capitalism so I don't appreciate EA and their marketing strategies. It is as simple as that. Insults don't change my point of view you know.
  • MrWorf 21 Nov 2002 12:53:02 63,835 posts
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    I love you man.
  • Mr_Sleep 21 Nov 2002 12:55:05 23,487 posts
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    LOL, well thanks man, I don't quite know what to say... :)
  • MrWorf 21 Nov 2002 12:56:50 63,835 posts
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    You needn't say a thing, I'll always be your fan boi. :)

    Edited by Razz at 12:56:57 21-11-2002
  • JabbaDaHut 21 Nov 2002 13:00:49 651 posts
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    Razz wrote:
    I love you man.
    Finest example I have ever seen of how to defuse a potential flame thread!
  • MrWorf 21 Nov 2002 13:01:58 63,835 posts
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    Shit! I thought it was quite sly ;)
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