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Nemesis 15 Apr 2005 17:13:22 20,312 posts
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Exactly.

If MS *could* get away with it, they would. But they can't.

Although they make up for it by charging a fortune at retail.

I guess Apple get away with it cos basically they're great!

ssuellid 15 Apr 2005 17:25:35 19,142 posts
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Curious to know why you want the way you use the OS to change?

As far as I'm concerned an OS is for running applications on and as long as it makes that easy and is stable then thats it. Apart from that I don't expect to really see much of the OS. Adding security and 64 bit support and other useful stuff I can understand.

TennesseeStiff 15 Apr 2005 19:17:37 372 posts
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ssuellid wrote:
Curious to know why you want the way you use the OS to change?

Didn't say that. Saying something hasn't changed doesn't imply wanting something to change. However I am not against change. I'll talk about that later. Just wanted to say that you are misunderstanding what I said.

I was pointing out that given that the way you use the OS hadn't changed much, and given, as you yourself point out, what happens in the guts isn't too relevant to the end user as long as it work without hindering you, then the list of changes from ME to XP could be narrowed down to, more or less the list I gave.

My conclusion being that the list (although I am sure incomplete) is comparable to what Tiger gives you over Panther, when you also leave aside the less glamorous under the hood changes Tiger brings.

All this is in reality irrelevant, as I still say that the valid comparison is between W2KPro and XP Pro. I'm just saying that even with the wrong comparison Tiger is a substantial upgrade.

Now to answer you original point as a question, why wouldn't you want to have the way you use your OS be different, if the difference is better?

With OSX, the way you lunch applications is different; the way you minimise and manage windows is different; the way you install applications is different. By diffrent I mean diffrent from Windows and also diffrent from how OS9 used to do it.

I would argue that these are different in a better way, otherwise I'd not have bought a Mac a few weeks ago.

If Apple took the attitude of "why would we want it to be different", we wouldn't have had a better different way. I don't want diffrent for the sake of diffrent but if diffrent is better then why not?

Edited by TennesseeStiff at 18:18:29 15-04-2005

mrharvest 19 Apr 2005 05:16:32 5,718 posts
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A 2.5GB disc image of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger appeared on the servers of highly regarded ripping groups this past weekend, some two weeks before its official release. Details are scarce on where the disc image, which installs Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger build 8A428, originated from but the file is slowly making its ways to more and more servers and will likely end up on file sharing networks later this week.

Apple has kept an extremely tight leash on Tiger, which was declared Gold Master at the start of the month, keeping the build out of the hands of all but a select few outside of Apple.

Eh.

eviltobz 19 Apr 2005 13:18:05 2,609 posts
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oooooh

/whistles innocently

/sneaks off to a few favourite torrent sites

/plods back dejectedly

no sign yet...

mrharvest 19 Apr 2005 15:20:45 5,718 posts
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Seriously though I don't really understand why anyone would want to pirate OS X. Plus Apple is strict with this, MacTKA for instance has self-censored this since the beta leak last summer.

I'm not going to buy Tiger but I wouldn't consider stealing it either.

ssuellid 19 Apr 2005 16:12:32 19,142 posts
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otto wrote:
/finger hovering

Over 'Buy' or 'Download'?

eviltobz 19 Apr 2005 16:23:42 2,609 posts
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feeling left out in the thread about deleting threads then otto? want to be able to offer lutzie some more solid support by means of being equally guilty?

Edited by eviltobz at 16:24:22 19-04-2005

TennesseeStiff 19 Apr 2005 17:45:42 372 posts
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I actually need the thing pronto.

My friend has just bought a PB which is eligible for a so called free-update as he ordered it after the announcement. It will be delivered before Tiger is released but he is going away soon and I need to install Tiger on his machine as soon as I can.

So I'll download it as soon as I can and install it on his machine. His proper copy will arrive sometime after the 29th and all should be ok. Not that he will be here to open the post.

ssuellid 19 Apr 2005 18:31:49 19,142 posts
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TennesseeStiff wrote:
So I'll download it as soon as I can and install it on his machine. His proper copy will arrive sometime after the 29th and all should be ok. Not that he will be here to open the post.

Can't he wait and do it himself legit?

mrharvest 19 Apr 2005 19:44:17 5,718 posts
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Yeah, it's not like installing OS X requires any specific skills apart from inserting the discs in order.

TennesseeStiff 19 Apr 2005 20:30:08 372 posts
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Mr Harvest wrote:
Yeah, it's not like installing OS X requires any specific skills apart from inserting the discs in order.

Hopefully not even that as it comes on a DVD.

However in 8 days time he will be travelling through much of South America for 4 months. Now I can go around to his place, pick up the disk and try and send it to him somewhere in Venezuela. Alternatively, he can just use Panther until he gets back.

What is going to happen however is that I am going to download Tiger and install it on his machine before he goes off.

sam_spade 19 Apr 2005 21:10:08 15,745 posts
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Yeah, that's what IRC was invented for.

sam_spade 19 Apr 2005 22:36:50 15,745 posts
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So is iTunes 5 going to have tags to work with Spotlight?

TennesseeStiff 20 Apr 2005 18:08:59 372 posts
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sam_spade wrote:
So is iTunes 5 going to have tags to work with Spotlight?

I doubt if that would be very useful. the names of a whole bunches of songs coming up every time you did a search wouldn't be very useful. Besides iTunes is it's own spotlight.

Anyway, the way things are progressing at the moment, I should be able to let you know by tomorrow

HarryB 20 Apr 2005 20:46:14 7,630 posts
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im kinda confused... they arent really important
just little toys or things a normal app could add

/uses windows
/doesnt know the apple way yet, not until Uni

mrharvest 20 Apr 2005 20:55:08 5,718 posts
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The front-end improvements are indeed next to useless but what's the real beef is the 64-bit mode, coreaudio and coreimage updates to whom those apply.

If I had a G5 and more than two audio devices I'd buy it in three to six months when the bugs have been ironed out, but at the moment I think it's rather stupid to upgrade.

colinmac 21 Apr 2005 08:35:57 774 posts
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I got an 'eval' DMG - but I need some help with this and the forum just aint the place. Anyone fancy a quick chat on MSN this morning ? I plan to buy it anyway, so if no-one can help ah well.....

colin _ mcnaughton @ hotmail dot com

hehe and actually that for email too !

Cheers

[maven] 21 Apr 2005 09:21:32 5,799 posts
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sam_spade wrote:
So is iTunes 5 going to have tags to work with Spotlight?

Unlikely. At least they will keep iTunes' internal database, as iTunes has to be multi-platform...

edit: an ' can change so much meaning...

Edited by [maven] at 09:22:44 21-04-2005

sam_spade 21 Apr 2005 09:50:39 15,745 posts
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Well I was talking about tagging files with more abstract information about it, like Peaceful or Rawk or Piano, Female, Solo. Doing what Grouping does, but accessible from the search bar rather than having to set up a Smart Playlist each time I change my preference.

So if I tapped in the search bar "Piano Female Solo" then I would be able to get just those songs I'd tagged like that when I'm in the mood for a Female soloist playing a piano. Or if I tapped in Female, I'd just get songs with Female vocalists.

The ability to do it is there, it just needs to be put in.

Deleted user 26 April 2005 13:47:00

Man, it's a real fricken shame that my 3-month old iBook is too decrepit to show the shiny ripply Tiger effects. But still... it's fucking ace guys. Been wowing the office with the live flight information just now, and the rest is gorgeous. It'll be ncie if we can get a UK based phone directory soon.

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ecosse_011172 wrote:
What machine did you see the cool ripple effects on?

On the Dashboard demo on the Apple site, natch.

Deleted user 26 April 2005 16:24:16

otto wrote:
Bollocks, looks like I'll have to get another Mac then.

Anyone had their shipping notification yet? Er let's just not mention the *cough* option shall we?

Oh yeah. I got my shipping confirmation this morning alright. It said "100%"

Deleted user 26 April 2005 17:15:06

Hhohohoho. Sorry otto. Want some screenshots?

eviltobz 26 Apr 2005 17:35:28 2,609 posts
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mouse wrote:

otto wrote:
Bollocks, looks like I'll have to get another Mac then.

Anyone had their shipping notification yet? Er let's just not mention the *cough* option shall we?

Oh yeah. I got my shipping confirmation this morning alright. It said "100%"

*cough* don't know what you mean...

read_only 27 Apr 2005 23:13:19 147 posts
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I find it irritating that because I still run 10.2 instead of buying 10.3 I couldn't get the latest Safari upgrades. I think I'm right in saying that - was at least able to security upgrades. Have also got in a mess with an old X11 beta which I don't seem to be able to upgrade and can no longer find the download. Very impressed by Apple products but however shiny they make powerbooks they are still company out to make money and aren't above some slightly unfair tactics.

Have seen some builds of Tiger (a bit) and seems cool. The dashboard is great, you press something and all sorts of useful little windows pop up - like weather, dictionary, calculator etc. Sort of looks like a second desktop that overlays the current one, saves opening other apps for simple tasks.

Edited by read_only at 23:14:16 27-04-2005

TennesseeStiff 28 Apr 2005 00:44:39 372 posts
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The Ripple effect is really not all that .... I get it on my 1.5 PB but it’s just pure eye candy and servers no purpose.

However, hopefully there will be some useful things done with the capability in the coming months.

And just for the record, the limitation on the iBook is not 32 MB of VRAM. You don't need 64 MB of VRAM for Core Imagie/Video/Q2DE to do its magic. What the iBooks and other none supported GPUs lack is a programmable shader.

It is a shame that Apple didn't put a GPU with programmable shader into the last revise of iBooks and iMacs; they knew that they wouldn’t support Tiger fully but you know Apple ……. They spend a fortune on the tooling and materials for the fancy case and to meet their target price, stick the lowest GPU around in it. The current iMacs GPU is shockingly old and inadequate and I can site it as the reason in two cases where a people didn’t buy an iMac and bought an ugly PC instead. I know because I was the one who told them not to get it.

Deleted user 28 April 2005 14:48:44

TennesseeStiff wrote:
The Ripple effect is really not all that .... I get it on my 1.5 PB but it's just pure eye candy and servers no purpose.

Of course it doesn't! Neither does the swoopy minimising effect we've all come to know and love, but that didn't stop me yelling "FUCK ME! WANT ONE!" when I first saw it.

Deleted user 28 April 2005 16:47:40

I haven't had any issues as yet ottster.

Deleted user 4 May 2005 10:18:48

Fuck me! I just stumbled across the RSS screensaver. Doesn't sound very glamourous but seriously... omg

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