No Revolution at E3 • Gaming • Wii • Eurogamer.net

Blerk Moderator 18 Apr 2005 14:55:57 48,222 posts
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As being discussed in the comments.

Good idea? Bad idea? Are they worried about comparisons? Behind schedule? Or just being business-savvy and avoiding the scrum?

I'm a bit disappointed, tbh. :-/

ssuellid 18 Apr 2005 14:57:39 19,142 posts
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Good idea. Avoiding Sony and MS marketing one up manship.

Freek 18 Apr 2005 14:58:48 7,682 posts
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Same line they gave with Mario Sunshine, "they'll steal our ideas" and what did it have? A water powered jetpack and water canon.

Edited by Freek at 13:59:07 18-04-2005

Derblington 18 Apr 2005 15:01:55 35,161 posts
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I think it's a good idea to wait and hold their own unveiling where they'll be the centre stage, but I think it'll be looked on badly by the gaming public; as though they can't compare and are falling back to let the big boys take the show.

I'm disapointed too, I'm looking forward to finding out about the Revolution more than the other 2 atm.

Bill-Gates-is-Evil 18 Apr 2005 15:02:08 8,934 posts
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Nintendo hasn't been business-savvy in 10 years.

I'm sure Nintendo realized that the Revolution is going to look awful and the gimmicks it'll most certainly have will be highlighted when compared to PS3 and Xbox 360, so in typical "retreat and hide and whine about the industry" Nintendo strategic fashion, they'll talk Revolution as soon as "the other guys" aren't in the same room. It's an attempt at product diversification that Nintendo hopes will keep them from being seen as in competition to Sony and Microsoft... and what's better than a company not having any competition?

Unfortunately, Nintendo has developed this habit of sucking at every single thing they do.

ssuellid 18 Apr 2005 15:03:39 19,142 posts
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Bill Gates is Evil wrote:
Nintendo hasn't been business-savvy in 10 years.

Probably explains why they continue to make money then.

Bill-Gates-is-Evil 18 Apr 2005 15:07:36 8,934 posts
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They're making money now at the expense of making money in the future, ssuellid. There's nothing business-savvy about that. Microsoft could halt all R&D and marketing and automatically increase profits by several billion. Would you call that business-savvy?

Nintendo is running off of old momentum right now, and you'll realize how "business-savvy" they really are once it all runs out--- and it is.

pjmaybe 18 Apr 2005 15:09:56 70,666 posts
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Can't blame 'em at all for letting Sony and MS have a bit of a bitch slap. Hopefully though this'll give 'em a chance to pimp the DS a bit more.

I'm just wondering if that old Mario Kart / Zelda footage will be trotted out again. Mind you, these days it's actually not looking that great any more

Peej

Derblington 18 Apr 2005 15:09:58 35,161 posts
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Bill Gates is Evil wrote:
They're making money now at the expense of making money in the future, ssuellid. There's nothing business-savvy about that. Microsoft could halt all R&D and marketing and automatically increase profits by several billion. Would you call that business-savvy?

Nintendo is running off of old momentum right now, and you'll realize how "business-savvy" they really are once it all runs out--- and it is.

I don't understand?

Blerk Moderator 18 Apr 2005 15:10:55 48,222 posts
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I'll repeat my 'comments' post:

On the one hand it sounds reasonable - avoid being swamped in the media interest around the others, avoid unfavourable spec comparisons, show off when it's a bit quieter and get a bit more attention.

On the other hand it's a huge gamble, as the posts above show - people immediately start thinking there's some huge cock-up in the making. It's easy to be cynical at announcements like this, especially when they come from Nintendo.

A shame, I think. It's been a long time since we've seen three new machines at the same time!

ssuellid 18 Apr 2005 15:11:29 19,142 posts
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Bill Gates is Evil wrote:
They're making money now at the expense of making money in the future, ssuellid.

How do you know that? Its your opinion and as you have proved numerous times in the past you are often totally wrong. Especially when it concerns your attitude to Nintendo who have been sucessful for decades.

pjmaybe 18 Apr 2005 15:15:25 70,666 posts
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I seem to remember a similar argument just before the release of the DS.

"It will fail" and "Nintendo have dropped the ball" and "The PSP will wipe the floor with it"

(Yeah OK I might've even been guilty of saying that too!)

BUT the DS sold well, and still continues to do so. It's seen as a cool machine, not some "sadly technologically lacking" piece of crap. It might have all the ergonomics of a triangular ironing board and be as pretty as Bella Emberg but it's still sold well and has been a relatively big success for Nintendo.

So just when you count 'em out, they release something and it sells - and oddly not just to Big N fanbois either.

I reckon the Rev will be the same.

Peej

ssuellid 18 Apr 2005 15:18:41 19,142 posts
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pjmaybe wrote:
I seem to remember a similar argument just before the release of the DS.

"It will fail" and "Nintendo have dropped the ball" and "The PSP will wipe the floor with it"

(Yeah OK I might've even been guilty of saying that too!)

Same here. And I thought the sales would drop when the PSP was launched. But that does not seem to have happened. 4 million sales worldwide so far for what Nintendo considers a niche handheld.

Derblington 18 Apr 2005 15:18:47 35,161 posts
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As is constantly said; consoles are all about the games, and they are showing them so I'm not too fussed. It would have been nice to see the actual machine but what can you do.

spazmo 18 Apr 2005 15:20:02 2,838 posts
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You all seem to forget that BGIE knows exactly what the Revolution consists of. It's a portable Gamecube! Is that right Bill?

pjmaybe 18 Apr 2005 15:20:17 70,666 posts
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Derblington wrote:
As is constantly said; consoles are all about the games, and they are showing them so I'm not too fussed. It would have been nice to see the actual machine but what can you do.

With that in mind, there is one concern I have about the DS.

That's the trickle-feed of games for it. So I'm kinda guessing the big N pissed all the third party games companies off again then?

Peej

Bill-Gates-is-Evil 18 Apr 2005 15:20:33 8,934 posts
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What does having been wrong in the past have to do with forming opinions in the present? If I were to say to myself, "golly, i've been wrong, I better keep my mouth shut" i'd officially become just as worthless as most Europeans!

Nintendo fears INVESTMENT and RISK! Why didn't Nintendo invest in online gaming with the GameCube? Because it would hurt their present day profits. But you do understand that Nintendo will lose profits in the future, because of that same decision?

And look at Nintendo's games. They're just recreating their classic franchises over and over despite EVERY indication they need start releasing new kinds of games to attract new kinds of gamers. But that would mean they'd have to take a risk, and a risk might mean they'd lose money on a certain venture!

And we can't have Nintendo losing money for any long-term gain, can we? Oh, absolutely not.

It's so obvious that Nintendo has been focused on maximizing profit for the present at the expense of the future, that it would have taken a serious drop on your head as a child not to see it.

Fuck, Microsoft would have been "business-savvy" by your definition if they'd never created Xbox Live and lost all those billions.

Nintendo is dying (as a hardware manufacturer), and there is no longer anything they can do to turn that around.

Captain-Fetid 18 Apr 2005 15:20:49 659 posts
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It's not a bad idea of Nintendo to try not to be the third wheel on the wagon, so to speak. They know that for the masses that are Sony's and Microsoft's intended public (the sheeple), their product is of marginal interest. It's no use trying to compete with them. Better to be different than risk being the one losing out.

But.. the flip side is that it's a huge gamble. Carving out your niche (not the most fitting word, as we're still talking about large numbers) could also mean being totally overlooked and failing miserably.

I for one hope they'll succeed. If only for the diversity. I still shudder at the living-room invasion plans Sony and MS have. I don't want my console to be a Trojan Horse of media-control: I just want to play games.

And no, I'm not a Ninty fanboy. The last Nintendo 'console' I bought was Jr. Donkey Kong (or something), the LCD handheld game.

Captain-Fetid 18 Apr 2005 15:23:17 659 posts
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Oh, and Bill. Please don't try and fit everything in your limited worldview. It's annoying and it makes you look a bit silly.

ssuellid 18 Apr 2005 15:23:25 19,142 posts
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pjmaybe wrote:
[That's the trickle-feed of games for it. So I'm kinda guessing the big N pissed all the third party games companies off again then?

Same on the PSP as well tho. But at least the DS has decent first party support. There is a vaguely interesting article in Edge about it this month. DS is cheap to develop for whereas the PSP is more like a home console so they were asking what level of developer support would the PSP get when the next gen consoles come along - will studios have the resources to also develop for the PSP?

Bill-Gates-is-Evil 18 Apr 2005 15:25:25 8,934 posts
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BUT the DS sold well, and still continues to do so. It's seen as a cool machine, not some "sadly technologically lacking" piece of crap. It might have all the ergonomics of a triangular ironing board and be as pretty as Bella Emberg but it's still sold well and has been a relatively big success for Nintendo.

Oh for fucks sake, yes DS has sold well but by Nintendo-portable standards it has been a relative failure. It only sold this much so far because of the name "Nintendo" and because it's a portable. They could have not released a single game with the console and it would have immediately sold well.

If you were to section off DS from all of Nintendo's other portables and look ONLY at the DS and it's performance you'd say "hey, not bad!"

If you were to put every Nintendo portable as well as their performance and compare and contrast them, you'd look at the DS and say "what the fuck happened here?"

ssuellid 18 Apr 2005 15:25:37 19,142 posts
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Bill Gates is Evil wrote:
What does having been wrong in the past have to do with forming opinions in the present?

Because you don't seem to have learnt from your previous mistakes and are still pimping exactly the same anti Nintendo line even tho they keep proving you wrong again and again?

Lutz 18 Apr 2005 15:27:42 48,870 posts
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Bill Gates is Evil wrote:
Oh for fucks sake, yes DS has sold well but by Nintendo-portable standards it has been a relative failure.

Biggest console launch ever in the UK mate. Some failure.

As usual Bill your opinion isn't a problem. It's the way you speak it and the simple fact that you can't accept you might be wrong...

morriss 18 Apr 2005 15:28:17 71,293 posts
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Atm I have one game for the Xbox, namely Halo 2. No other game I have bought, apart from Halo 1 has 'really' impressed me. All my favourite games of the past have been Nintendo. My favourite games now are for the GC and with Killer 7 and RE4 not yet in my collection, I can't wait for those either. Nintendo = great games. Xbox = concept titles and two and threes and fours, same but a little bit better. I'm sure even a game like Jade Empire will be a complete once, never play again title like almost every other Xbox ever made.

Bill-Gates-is-Evil 18 Apr 2005 15:29:31 8,934 posts
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DS has attracted new gamers? Who the hell would buy a DS that hasn't owned a Gamyboy?

The Nintendo DS is one of the most gimmicky pieces of crap i've ever seen. I can't believe Nintendo even released at all-- I absolutely can't stand the thing. There is no reason for it to have two screens, unless you're Nintendo and you want your product to look like it has something special going for it before Sony releases it's ABSOLUTELY AMAZING piece of kit that is PSP.

Nintendo has a policy of "don't listen to the customer, they are wrong".

Sid-Nice 18 Apr 2005 15:29:55 15,848 posts
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Nintendo are turning into European like creatures, lacking in confidence and have become insecure. The Revolution must be a childish gimmick for them not to show their system in the presence of the hardware masters Sony and Microsoft. I've got to agree with BGiE on this decision.

pjmaybe 18 Apr 2005 15:30:15 70,666 posts
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ssuellid wrote:

pjmaybe wrote:
[That's the trickle-feed of games for it. So I'm kinda guessing the big N pissed all the third party games companies off again then?

Same on the PSP as well tho. But at least the DS has decent first party support. There is a vaguely interesting article in Edge about it this month. DS is cheap to develop for whereas the PSP is more like a home console so they were asking what level of developer support would the PSP get when the next gen consoles come along - will studios have the resources to also develop for the PSP?

Hmmm you're right - Though at the risk of comparing the two, a scan of the future release schedules for both consoles does indicate some pretty heavy hitters on the PSP side of things (By heavy hitters, I guess I mean "crowd pleasers" or stuff that's got mass appeal like Midnight Club III, NFS Underground Rivals etc).

I kinda guessed by the complexity of what I've seen on the PSP, that development times for those games must be as long (if not longer) than for the PS2. Quite a lot to factor in I guess.

Anyhoo, Nintendo aren't dying. They're doing pretty damned fine.

Peej

Derblington 18 Apr 2005 15:30:59 35,161 posts
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Bill Gates is Evil wrote:
DS has attracted new gamers? Who the hell would buy a DS that hasn't owned a Gamyboy?

The Nintendo DS is one of the most gimmicky pieces of crap i've ever seen. I can't believe Nintendo even released at all-- I absolutely can't stand the thing. There is no reason for it to have two screens, unless you're Nintendo and you want your product to look like it has something special going for it before Sony releases it's ABSOLUTELY AMAZING piece of kit that is PSP.

Nintendo has a policy of "don't listen to the customer, they are wrong".

Me.

Lutz 18 Apr 2005 15:31:27 48,870 posts
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Bill Gates is Evil wrote:
DS has attracted new gamers? Who the hell would buy a DS that hasn't owned a Gamyboy?

Lots of people. Hence the increased sales figures of the DS...

pjmaybe 18 Apr 2005 15:31:46 70,666 posts
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Bill Gates is Evil wrote:
"DS has attracted new gamers? Who the hell would buy a DS that hasn't owned a Gameboy?"

From pimping mine out, about 5 people who've never owned ANY kind of videogames system, either home or portable, have bought one. Mostly on the strength of one relatively simple title too (Zookeeper, a game that was previously available for nothing on the net, but now seems to be shifting DS units like hot cakes)

So go figure! Who could've predicted that!

Peej