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Lutz 18 Apr 2005 16:38:39 48,870 posts
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Blerk wrote:
Carriage return, Lutzie.

Bah.
Used to the old BR thingy from HTML.

He knew what I meant.

Moist 18 Apr 2005 16:38:43 390 posts
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Otto, good point, well made.

Lutz 18 Apr 2005 16:41:27 48,870 posts
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Speaking of politics, it was quite funny watching the anti-labour people this weekend in the local shopping centre.

One of the mothers had painted propaganda onto a pillow case and put it round her child. Nice.

And another guy had a balloon wrapped around his neck for some obscure reason. Still, at least that caused a laugh.

"Excuse me mate, if you want to hang your self, you're not doing it right!"

I was so tempted to burst the balloon behind him. A comedy moment missed.

Deleted user 18 April 2005 16:44:11

"Who'd put a lorry in charge of someone with no driving experience?"

O_o

Nemesis 18 Apr 2005 16:46:50 20,312 posts
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Ahhhh, the BNP.

Who else would put a leaflet through the door with the tag 'My Daddy Isn't A Racist' showing a BNP 'member' sitting with the family.

Followed by 2 pages of Victorian Dad-style stick waving.

'loody hell.

Destria 18 Apr 2005 16:49:44 2,901 posts
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Madder Max wrote:
"Who'd put a lorry in charge of someone with no driving experience?"

O_o

Somebody with a bizarre interpretation of the chain of command I guess

Spanky 18 Apr 2005 16:53:01 15,037 posts
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andrewfromdoncaster wrote:
He must work for the DSS or prison service.

Ha dunno about that, my dad just retired from the prison service and is a card carrying anarchist(who won't carry a card because he's sticking it to the man

. Who would rather let all prisoners out of jail and let the population do what they please with them. The mans mind is beyond me.

My dad the anarchist

Bsport 18 Apr 2005 16:57:36 153 posts
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Moist wrote:

Bsport wrote:
i'll be voting tory, however when u do the job i do, you tend to feel alot more strongly for issue that the BNP stand for.. but i wont vote for them because its a waste of a vote

Edited by Bsport at 14:59:44 18-04-2005

Why is it a waste of a vote? If you 'feel alot more strongly for issue the BNP stand for'?

strongly enough to vote tory, but not completely uttery crazy , ranting every night till i'm pink in the face, to vote BNP.

Clive Dunn wrote:

Bsport wrote:
i'll be voting tory, however when u do the job i do, you tend to feel alot more strongly for issue that the BNP stand for.. but i wont vote for them because its a waste of a vote

Edited by Bsport at 14:59:44 18-04-2005

Tell us what you do then ? You aren't a gangmaster are you, forcing millions of Chinese to pick cockles for 50p a decade ?

I work in one of the largest Bailiff collection companies in the country if not the largest, i deal with Parking tickets, council tax, and consumer debt's. so i deal day in day out, over the phone with these poeple that owe debts, and 6 out of 10 calls are from asylum, ethnic minority. screaming at me because they feel they shouldnt be paying it with the attitude that i owe them a favour, even tho it has been proved to them they are are liable on serveral occation. Most of these 6 out of 10 are not currently working, never have, claiming benefits and dont want to work/ look for a job

So these calls and numbers/ratio and the same crap that poeple give you slowly changed my personal view over time.

BUT !Please dont get me wrong i have some good friends that are from asylum, ethnic minority backgrounds. however i feel they needs to be more control BUT! no were as extreme as the BNP propose.

Perhaps i'm wrong, is so please show me the error of my ways, but currently thats my person view

Edited by Bsport at 15:58:46 18-04-2005

Edited by Bsport at 16:00:08 18-04-2005

Pike 18 Apr 2005 17:32:49 13,459 posts
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Lutz wrote:
I think BGiE is a member.

Uhm, BGiE voted for the Libertarian party in the US elections. Do you think their immigration policies, or any policies at all for that matter, are in tune with those of the BNP?

If you are going to call someone a xenophobe, you should have at least present a small shred of evidence to back it up.

Lutz 18 Apr 2005 17:34:15 48,870 posts
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Pike wrote:
If you are going to call someone a xenophobe, you should have at least present a small shred of evidence to back it up.

Sure. Take a look at anyone of his racist anti-european posts. Evidence galore for you.

I know full well BGiE lives in the US though.

Pike 18 Apr 2005 17:40:27 13,459 posts
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Yes I know about his previous asshattery, though he has mellowed a lot latley. However his antieuropean rants were often by a lot of boneheaded anti-americanism spouted on these boards. He behaved like a dick, but I really don't think it was a product racism.

Lutz 18 Apr 2005 17:41:49 48,870 posts
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Pike wrote:
Yes I know about his previous asshattery, though he has mellowed a lot latley. However his antieuropean rants were often by a lot of boneheaded anti-americanism spouted on these boards. He behaved like a dick, but I really don't think it was a product racism.

You've obviously not seen his posts of the last week then.

Pike 18 Apr 2005 17:49:00 13,459 posts
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Lutz: As far as I know he mostly posdts about games these days, but it's possible that I missed some relapse of his.

otto: As I said. I know he used to be a right asshole. But I believe that was more of a childish reaction to a lot of just as juvenile crap spouted about americans in this forum. It's not an excuse for insulting people, but it doesn't make him a racist.

Khanivor 18 Apr 2005 17:57:12 44,800 posts
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otto wrote:
...See him in last week's thread about cheats on Xbox Live.

That the thread titled "cheating YANKS", yeah?

mal 18 Apr 2005 17:59:02 29,326 posts
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otto wrote:
I'd suggest that in your position you have to make an extra effort to be understanding and to put yourself in their shoes. Imagine you were in a strange foreign country, in desperate need, and faced with something as scary as a bailiff. How would you react?

That's a generalisation, and I think you know it is. I refer you to your previous post:

The problem is people, who are naturally selfish and thoughtless

Surely you can't just apply that to British people. Fact is, some recent immigrants will be money-grabbing scum, just as some long-time British people are. And given BSport's line or work, perhaps he's more likely to come in to contact with that subset of immigrants (wheras native scum knows to keep out of his way).

I don't dismiss your point though. Surely there are a number of people who come across him who are just confused and become a bit aggressive. I'm just suggesting that by no means is that all of them.

Pike 18 Apr 2005 18:00:39 13,459 posts
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Well I missed the cheats thread, and I think that it might be for the best if I avoid further speculations about BGiE's motives for his anti-european triades. I'll let him explain them himself, if he so wishes.

However I maintain that to imply that someone who voted for a party in favour of completley free immigration would sympathize with an outright racist party is a low blow.

Khanivor 18 Apr 2005 18:06:57 44,800 posts
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JC2 wrote:
I swear, if I saw a bnp on the street I would beat him up. I'd throw a big heavy brick in his ungly, stupid, racist face. Fuck them all.

Fight bigotry and hatred with bigotry and hatred. It's bound to work.

The ridiculing of those who hold less then ideal thoughts concerning race and foreigners does nothing to educate or improve. About the only thing it achieves is to polarise opinions and push those folk even closer to the extremists. As the 'moderates' tend to think so highly of their own enlightenment it's strange that they have no problem emulating the same kind of intolerance as the lost.

To dismiss all problems concerning immigration as only exisiting if you are a racist nazi scumbag is to be pretty frigging ignorant of the wolrd yourself.

The way to dilute hate is with love and the way to educate is to converse.

Pike 18 Apr 2005 18:07:11 13,459 posts
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link?

Edit: to BGiE comments about mexicans that is. I was a bit slow with this reply so some posts slipped in between otto's and this one.

Edited by Pike at 17:11:12 18-04-2005

mal 18 Apr 2005 18:08:19 29,326 posts
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otto wrote:
Of course there are going to be dodgy ones just as there are dodgy types everywhere. That's no excuse to do a Daily Mail and tar them all with the same brush. People should assume that a person is straight up rather than the opposite, especially if you're in a position of authority over them.

Yes, I agree, but I think you need to make that clear. Otherwise you too are tarring all immigrants with the same brush, except you're using lovely honey rather than nasty tar. You're in danger of describing a world which doesn't align with people's real experiences, which I think it what reduces the power of your arguments, and allows the sort of crap pedalled by the Daily Mail to get a stranglehold.

Moist 18 Apr 2005 18:08:32 390 posts
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Khanivor wrote:
The way to dilute hate is with love and the way to educate is to converse.

+4

That is the cleverest thing I have heard in a while :-)

Bertie Senior Staff Writer, Eurogamer.net 18 Apr 2005 18:10:39 1,765 posts
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Nice words, Khan

otto Moderator 18 Apr 2005 18:13:58 49,322 posts
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Khanivor 18 Apr 2005 18:20:11 44,800 posts
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You should only hate inanimate objects. Hating humans has caused enough grief already.

Pike 18 Apr 2005 18:23:14 13,459 posts
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otto: As I said I believe the Euro-bashing, wich I have seen, had more to do with with an immature wish to be provocative. As for the comments about mexicans I can't comment since I have missed them, and since I'm on a dial-up connection it's to ardorous a task to search for them right know. I was hoping you would do the work for me.

However I'll look for them when I can, or maybe the man himself will show up later and explain himself.

Pike 18 Apr 2005 18:25:47 13,459 posts
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mal 18 Apr 2005 18:34:38 29,326 posts
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otto wrote:
Steady on. I'm simply saying that he should put himself in the shoes of the people he's dealing with and try to see their problems from their perspective before assuming that the problem is with them.

And I'm simply saying you should put yourself in the shoes of people who are thinking of voting for extremists and consider how they arrived at that conclusion. You have to address their real experiences in full.

mal 19 Apr 2005 16:21:38 29,326 posts
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I think you have, but I don't think you had, 'till you clarified it. Anyway, on this one I think we should agree to disagree. I think I've made my point

Moist 19 Apr 2005 19:00:40 390 posts
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This article (which I got from my gmail alerts*) shocked me, and on further googling about The National Front another party has joined my blacklist.

Anyone heard of these? They passed me by.

Edit: *gmail alerts are excellent, if you don't know of them then go here.

Edited by Moist at 19:08:40 19-04-2005

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