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mal 29,326 posts
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The-Old-Bill 5,101 posts
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Registered 17 years agoYou've only just heard of the NF? They're a bunch of idiots, I've had clashes with them before. -
sam_spade 15,745 posts
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Registered 20 years agoNF is the forerunner of the BNP, just more overt in their hatred.
My journalist friend worked elections on local paper and he says they just kick up a fuss about doing parades in fringe areas to get up publicity. They rarely actually go through with it. Usually the police step in and it gives these fringe groups the 'air of the oppressed'.
Fortunately he showed me some of their literature, including a hand-written flyer complete with almost illegible and illiterate paragraphs and mispellings that they were handing around.
They are just the trolls of the election campaign. -
Moist 390 posts
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Registered 17 years agoI figured I'd get that reply .gif)
I don't 'follow' the right-wing developments, as such, but I find other people's views (whether I agree with the or not) to be fascinating.
For example, I was on the Nazi policy FAQ's the other day, even though I strongly disagree to the extreme with their views. It's just interesting, and I wish I could talk to them as I think I could argue them to death.
I saw Michael Howard on some ITV pre-election thing last night, and found myself shouting at the telly.
n.b. I do not consider Howard to be a Nazi, just a pompous git -
ssuellid wrote:
There's a difference?
Just a member? Or a member of the BNP? -
Bsport wrote:
What job do you do then? Let me guess, taxi driver. o_O
i'll be voting tory, however when u do the job i do, you tend to feel alot more strongly for issue that the BNP stand for.. -
The problem is people, who are naturally selfish and thoughtless, and politics, which these days caters to people's natural selfishness and thoughtlessness. Politics is getting more and more populist, like the media, and anyone who questions the idiotic notion that the majority know best is accused of being anti-democratic and elitist. When it comes to governing a country, you can't do it by trying to give everybody what they think they want. People are ill-informed at the best of times, and most of the time if they're asked a question in the street they'll give some stupid fucking answer that they don't even really believe themselves. People need to be informed. Who'd put a lorry in charge of someone with no driving experience? Why would you put a whole flipping country in charge of a bunch of knobs who give knee-jerk replies to people holding clipboards outside Asda? Politicians and media have a duty to inform, something which they seem to have forgotten all about in their desire to get better opinion poll ratings and sell more papers. We may call our system democratic, but it's a participative democracy - no-one wants some crazy Athenian-style direct democracy. Elections are there as a safety valve in case the people in charge get it too wrong. They present us with choice of general direction, we choose the direction we prefer, they get on with taking us there. I detest the lazy cowardly politics that gives us a referendum on highly technical complicated issues where 99.9% of the population will have no clue and will simply vote on the basis of a prejudice that has no bearing on the issue at hand. Gah! /nukes planet -
You're lucky I managed any punctuation at all in that stream of consciousness rant. -
Madder Max wrote:
Er, in the charge. Being a little too economical with my definite articles there.
"Who'd put a lorry in charge of someone with no driving experience?"
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Bsport wrote:
You have to put yourself in the shoes of these people. They come from different backgrounds and different cultures - few cultures have the same notion of personal space and courtesy that the British have - what is rude to an English person can be perfectly acceptable to someone from another country, and vice versa, so you have to understand that people might not intentionally be rude even if it comes across as rude.
BUT !Please dont get me wrong i have some good friends that are from asylum, ethnic minority backgrounds. however i feel they needs to be more control BUT! no were as extreme as the BNP propose.
Perhaps i'm wrong, is so please show me the error of my ways, but currently thats my person view
Secondly, you have to understand that these people are the most likely to fall foul of your employers, because they're at the bottom of society - they have least protection, least resources, no money, they're an easy target for loan sharks, and they're desperate.
Finally, remember that it's difficult for someone in a foreign country. Since living abroad I've realised that I don't have the experience to deal with foreign bureaucracy in the right way, I lose my temper very quickly and resort to shouting. The reason is that I feel powerless. This is no doubt how these people you're dealing with feel - totally powerless in the face of something they can't control and don't really understand.
I'd suggest that in your position you have to make an extra effort to be understanding and to put yourself in their shoes. Imagine you were in a strange foreign country, in desperate need, and faced with something as scary as a bailiff. How would you react?
The last thing you should be doing is sympathising with the extremists. -
Pike wrote:
He initially came to a website called Eurogamer with the nick 'European Scum' expressly to slag off Europeans. He's still doing it years later, did you see him the other day? He's the very epitome of xenophobia - he fears strangers, it's what the word means.
If you are going to call someone a xenophobe, you should have at least present a small shred of evidence to back it up. -
Perhaps not a racist, but certainly a xenophobe. I agree, two wrongs don't make a right, and these days he tends to react rather than throw the first punch. It's not an excuse for his behaviour though. Almost three years since he was first banned for abusive behaviour and he's still doing it. See him in last week's thread about cheats on Xbox Live. -
Khanivor wrote:
Yep. Like I said, he didn't throw the first punch.
otto wrote:
...See him in last week's thread about cheats on Xbox Live.
That the thread titled "cheating YANKS", yeah? -
mal wrote:
Of course there are going to be dodgy ones just as there are dodgy types everywhere. That's no excuse to do a Daily Mail and tar them all with the same brush. People should assume that a person is straight up rather than the opposite, especially if you're in a position of authority over them.
otto wrote:
That's a generalisation, and I think you know it is. I refer you to your previous post:
I'd suggest that in your position you have to make an extra effort to be understanding and to put yourself in their shoes. Imagine you were in a strange foreign country, in desperate need, and faced with something as scary as a bailiff. How would you react?
The problem is people, who are naturally selfish and thoughtless
Surely you can't just apply that to British people. Fact is, some recent immigrants will be money-grabbing scum, just as some long-time British people are. And given BSport's line or work, perhaps he's more likely to come in to contact with that subset of immigrants (wheras native scum knows to keep out of his way).
I don't dismiss your point though. Surely there are a number of people who come across him who are just confused and become a bit aggressive. I'm just suggesting that by no means is that all of them.
I'm just talking about my own experience. There's me, a reasonably literate well-educated and wealthy person who still has real problems dealing with the authorities in my adopted country; more than once I've ended up near tears, shouting at someone in my broken French because I don't know what to do or how to make myself understood. How much more often is that going to happen to someone seeking asylum? -
Pike wrote:
You've seen his comments on Mexicans?
However I maintain that to imply that someone who voted for a party in favour of completley free immigration would sympathize with an outright racist party is a low blow. -
mal wrote:
Steady on. I'm simply saying that he should put himself in the shoes of the people he's dealing with and try to see their problems from their perspective before assuming that the problem is with them.
Yes, I agree, but I think you need to make that clear. Otherwise you too are tarring all immigrants with the same brush, except you're using lovely honey rather than nasty tar. You're in danger of describing a world which doesn't align with people's real experiences, which I think it what reduces the power of your arguments, and allows the sort of crap pedalled by the Daily Mail to get a stranglehold.
Pike, I don't keep a file of BGIE's xenophobic postings and I'm not about to go search for them. If in the past he has said he votes Libertarian then who am I to doubt that, certainly the way he posts suggests an affinity with their politics, at the same time he's always posting hate-filled crap directed at Europeans, Mexicans, and others, if you find it hard believing us then do a little search. You won't find his old stuff under the European Scum nick because it was deleted along with that account. -
This eurocrat is really looking forward to some of this new-style Khanivor lovin'. ;p -
I thought (think) I had (have). -
Where have you been Moist??
I suppose the NF has been eclipsed a bit by the BNP over the last couple of years. For some reason I thought the BNP *was* the NF, just with a new name. I dunno. I don't spend a lot of time following developments on the far right. -
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