Following Uber - good or bad? Page 13

  • Tonka 22 Nov 2017 19:57:18 29,584 posts
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    ooombasa wrote:

    They must have dirty photos on every person of influence to be still chugging along. No other explanation makes sense.
    I love how you meant that as a joke...

    https://www.theverge.com/2016/7/15/12201134/uber-ergo-admit-lie-investigation-court-travis-kalanick
  • senso-ji 22 Nov 2017 21:51:42 9,574 posts
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    It seems like corruption, deceit and incompetence is what any prospective Uber employee needs to put on their CV to get a job at head office.
  • richardiox 22 Nov 2017 22:40:16 7,720 posts
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    Convenience and price VS ethics

    Which will win? Consumerism in a nutshell.
  • Tonka 23 Nov 2017 06:52:26 29,584 posts
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    the man who lost his job over the hack is Joe Sullivan, who was the companyís Chief Security Officer. In October, Bloomberg reported that Sullivan ďruns a unit where Uber devised some of the most controversial weapons in its arsenal. Uberís own board is now looking at Sullivanís team, with the help of an outside law firm.Ē

    In fact, it would not be surprising if that probe led to this disclosure.

    From the start of Uberís troubles, many in tech have tried to isolate the company from the herd. They did not want Uberís culture to reflect on the tech industry more broadly.

    But Sullivan was not a Kalanick stalwart. He only arrived at Uber in April of 2015. He began his tech career with four years at eBay, went to PayPal for 2.5 years, and then spent over six years at Facebook before being poached by Uber. Bloombergís reporting indicates that Sullivanís role from nearly the moment he arrived at Uber was as ďthe keeper of some of Uberís darkest secrets.Ē

    Some public commentators seem to think Uberís response to this data breach is abhorrent and unusual. But, then how could a guy so deeply integrated into several major Silicon Valley companies have pushed it forward?

    Doesnít it make sense to ask what attitudes and procedures Sullivan brought over from Facebook (and eBay and PayPal)?
    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/11/uber-did-a-bad-thing/546653/
  • RyanDS 5 Jan 2018 01:10:48 12,768 posts
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    I see they are releasing that black cab driver that raped over 100 women today.

    Scary that this overpriced black cab cartel had so much influence that they can accuse uber of being dangerous with a straight face.
  • Tonka 5 Jan 2018 06:25:20 29,584 posts
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    You're completely missing the point.
  • LionheartDJH 9 Jan 2018 21:16:27 20,292 posts
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    Ironically when I read the Guardian article about that there was an advert for Uber part-way through. Awkward.
  • foster2007 10 Jan 2018 13:13:48 326 posts
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    i've never had an issue with uber
  • Tonka 10 Jan 2018 13:25:49 29,584 posts
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    You're completely missing the point.
  • Dirtbox 13 Jan 2018 16:57:26 91,133 posts
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    I use Lyft because it's cheaper and doesn't treat it's drivers like shit.

    Am I completely missing the point?
  • reddevil93 13 Jan 2018 17:02:01 14,957 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    I use Lyft because it's cheaper and doesn't treat it's drivers like shit.

    Am I completely missing the point?
    And if Lyft was dearer you would use?
  • Dirtbox 13 Jan 2018 17:04:31 91,133 posts
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    Uber, because fuck the drivers.
  • Tonka 14 Jan 2018 08:08:16 29,584 posts
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    Finally someone gets it.
  • Tonka 14 Jan 2018 10:33:26 29,584 posts
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    Uber being Uber
    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-12/uber-looks-great-when-the-police-barge-in
  • Tonka 2 Mar 2018 19:06:15 29,584 posts
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    the median profit was $3.37 per hour, with 74% of drivers earning less than the minimum wage in the state where they operate.

    They also found a median driver generates $0.59 per mile of driving but incurs costs of $0.30 per mile; and almost a third (30 per cent) of drivers were found to incur expenses exceeding their revenue or to be losing money for every mile they drive.

    https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/02/mit-study-shows-how-much-driving-for-uber-or-lyft-sucks/
  • macmurphy 2 Mar 2018 20:39:33 3,835 posts
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    I normally chat to drivers in that pissed up way that probably grips their shit (busy night mate? When you finishing?)

    I always ask if they like driving for Uber and they are always overwhelmingly positive. Not saying Uber arenít cunts, but the drivers seem happy enough.
  • Psychotext 2 Mar 2018 22:39:20 65,132 posts
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    That just speaks to how well Uber manages the expectations of its drivers.

    It's like being fucked over by a really good sales person. Even though you suspect you didn't get a good deal, you generally feel OK about it.
  • macmurphy 2 Mar 2018 22:48:16 3,835 posts
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    @Psychotext

    Iím sorry I donít think thatís true at all.

    Uber drivers arenít 18. Itís not their first job. If it was that bad they would quit and go back to what they did before. I think the sad fact is that there are a lot of shit jobs and being an Uber Driver is one of the better ones. The driver the other night used to press clothes before driving. He was way happier as a driver.

    The idea of Uber Ďmanaging expectationsí also implies they have a level of input and control that I donít think they have. As a driver, you do your joining set up the app then youíre away. You like it or you donít.

    And as I said, all the ones Iíve spoken to do.
  • Psychotext 3 Mar 2018 09:53:03 65,132 posts
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    Sure, there are worse jobs, but that doesn't change the fact that many of them end up earning less than minimum wage. That they don't realise that is part of the wonder of Uber.
  • Tonka 3 Mar 2018 10:37:12 29,584 posts
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    From what I understand most of the drivers that are dissatisfied with Uber tend to do driving for them.

    So talking to a handful of active drivers is hardly painting an accurate picture of the situation.

    There's also the thing where a lot of the costs are hidden. Until the day you get rid of your car you don't really know how much it cost (unless you pay it in full upfront). There are pensions, insurance etc that some drivers just ignore.

    It's possible to think that things are better than they actually are.
  • Psychotext 3 Mar 2018 11:01:08 65,132 posts
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    Plus, frankly I wouldn't tell a random customer I was unhappy either. For all you know that gets back to Uber in some way. Would be a fucking stupid thing to do.
  • elstoof 3 Mar 2018 12:04:53 23,417 posts
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    Yeah Iím really happy now shut up with the fucking questions
  • macmurphy 3 Mar 2018 12:15:46 3,835 posts
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    @elstoof

    Youíve pissed on your chips there. No five stars for you.
  • Tonka 11 Jun 2019 07:46:02 29,584 posts
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    The definitive answer: not only are they bad. They're a fucking joke as well.


    These beliefs about Uberís corporate value were created entirely out of thin air. This is not a case of a company with a reasonably sound operating business that has managed to inflate stock market expectations a bit. This is a case of a massive valuation that has no relationship to any economic fundamentals. Uber has no competitive efficiency advantages, operates in an industry with few barriers to entry, and has lost more than $14 billion in the previous four years.

    In reality, Uberís platform does not include any technological breakthroughs, and Uber has done nothing to ďdisruptĒ the eco≠nomics of providing urban car services. What Uber has disrupted is the idea that competitive consumer and capital markets will maximize overall economic welfare by rewarding companies with superior efficiency. Its multibillion dollar subsidies completely distorted marketplace price and service signals, leading to a massive misallocation of resources. Uberís most important innovation has been to produce staggering levels of private wealth without creating any sustainable benefits for consumers, workers, the cities they serve, or anyone else.
    There's more, so much more. Very enlightening read.
    https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2019/05/ubers-path-of-destruction/
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