ooombasa wrote:I love how you meant that as a joke... https://www.theverge.com/2016/7/15/12201134/uber-ergo-admit-lie-investigation-court-travis-kalanick |
Uber - good or bad?
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Tonka 31,979 posts
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senso-ji 10,271 posts
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Registered 13 years agoIt seems like corruption, deceit and incompetence is what any prospective Uber employee needs to put on their CV to get a job at head office. -
richardiox 10,097 posts
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Registered 17 years agoConvenience and price VS ethics
Which will win? Consumerism in a nutshell. -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agothe man who lost his job over the hack is Joe Sullivan, who was the company’s Chief Security Officer. In October, Bloomberg reported that Sullivan “runs a unit where Uber devised some of the most controversial weapons in its arsenal. Uber’s own board is now looking at Sullivan’s team, with the help of an outside law firm.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/11/uber-did-a-bad-thing/546653/
In fact, it would not be surprising if that probe led to this disclosure.
From the start of Uber’s troubles, many in tech have tried to isolate the company from the herd. They did not want Uber’s culture to reflect on the tech industry more broadly.
But Sullivan was not a Kalanick stalwart. He only arrived at Uber in April of 2015. He began his tech career with four years at eBay, went to PayPal for 2.5 years, and then spent over six years at Facebook before being poached by Uber. Bloomberg’s reporting indicates that Sullivan’s role from nearly the moment he arrived at Uber was as “the keeper of some of Uber’s darkest secrets.”
Some public commentators seem to think Uber’s response to this data breach is abhorrent and unusual. But, then how could a guy so deeply integrated into several major Silicon Valley companies have pushed it forward?
Doesn’t it make sense to ask what attitudes and procedures Sullivan brought over from Facebook (and eBay and PayPal)? -
RyanDS 14,073 posts
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Registered 13 years agoI see they are releasing that black cab driver that raped over 100 women today.
Scary that this overpriced black cab cartel had so much influence that they can accuse uber of being dangerous with a straight face. -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoYou're completely missing the point. -
LionheartDJH 20,303 posts
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Registered 12 years agoIronically when I read the Guardian article about that there was an advert for Uber part-way through. Awkward. -
foster2007 336 posts
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Registered 14 years agoi've never had an issue with uber -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoYou're completely missing the point. -
Dirtbox 92,595 posts
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Registered 19 years agoI use Lyft because it's cheaper and doesn't treat it's drivers like shit.
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reddevil93 15,997 posts
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Registered 14 years agoDirtbox wrote:
And if Lyft was dearer you would use?
I use Lyft because it's cheaper and doesn't treat it's drivers like shit.
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Dirtbox 92,595 posts
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Registered 19 years agoUber, because fuck the drivers. -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoFinally someone gets it. -
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Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agothe median profit was $3.37 per hour, with 74% of drivers earning less than the minimum wage in the state where they operate.
They also found a median driver generates $0.59 per mile of driving but incurs costs of $0.30 per mile; and almost a third (30 per cent) of drivers were found to incur expenses exceeding their revenue or to be losing money for every mile they drive.
https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/02/mit-study-shows-how-much-driving-for-uber-or-lyft-sucks/ -
macmurphy 4,447 posts
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Registered 14 years agoI normally chat to drivers in that pissed up way that probably grips their shit (busy night mate? When you finishing?)
I always ask if they like driving for Uber and they are always overwhelmingly positive. Not saying Uber aren’t cunts, but the drivers seem happy enough. -
Psychotext 70,652 posts
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Registered 15 years agoThat just speaks to how well Uber manages the expectations of its drivers.
It's like being fucked over by a really good sales person. Even though you suspect you didn't get a good deal, you generally feel OK about it. -
macmurphy 4,447 posts
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Registered 14 years ago@Psychotext
I’m sorry I don’t think that’s true at all.
Uber drivers aren’t 18. It’s not their first job. If it was that bad they would quit and go back to what they did before. I think the sad fact is that there are a lot of shit jobs and being an Uber Driver is one of the better ones. The driver the other night used to press clothes before driving. He was way happier as a driver.
The idea of Uber ‘managing expectations’ also implies they have a level of input and control that I don’t think they have. As a driver, you do your joining set up the app then you’re away. You like it or you don’t.
And as I said, all the ones I’ve spoken to do. -
Psychotext 70,652 posts
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Registered 15 years agoSure, there are worse jobs, but that doesn't change the fact that many of them end up earning less than minimum wage. That they don't realise that is part of the wonder of Uber. -
Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoFrom what I understand most of the drivers that are dissatisfied with Uber tend to do driving for them.
So talking to a handful of active drivers is hardly painting an accurate picture of the situation.
There's also the thing where a lot of the costs are hidden. Until the day you get rid of your car you don't really know how much it cost (unless you pay it in full upfront). There are pensions, insurance etc that some drivers just ignore.
It's possible to think that things are better than they actually are. -
Psychotext 70,652 posts
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Registered 15 years agoPlus, frankly I wouldn't tell a random customer I was unhappy either. For all you know that gets back to Uber in some way. Would be a fucking stupid thing to do. -
elstoof 28,125 posts
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Registered 16 years agoYeah I’m really happy now shut up with the fucking questions -
macmurphy 4,447 posts
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You’ve pissed on your chips there. No five stars for you. -
The definitive answer: not only are they bad. They're a fucking joke as well.
There's more, so much more. Very enlightening read.
These beliefs about Uber’s corporate value were created entirely out of thin air. This is not a case of a company with a reasonably sound operating business that has managed to inflate stock market expectations a bit. This is a case of a massive valuation that has no relationship to any economic fundamentals. Uber has no competitive efficiency advantages, operates in an industry with few barriers to entry, and has lost more than $14 billion in the previous four years.
In reality, Uber’s platform does not include any technological breakthroughs, and Uber has done nothing to “disrupt” the economics of providing urban car services. What Uber has disrupted is the idea that competitive consumer and capital markets will maximize overall economic welfare by rewarding companies with superior efficiency. Its multibillion dollar subsidies completely distorted marketplace price and service signals, leading to a massive misallocation of resources. Uber’s most important innovation has been to produce staggering levels of private wealth without creating any sustainable benefits for consumers, workers, the cities they serve, or anyone else.
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2019/05/ubers-path-of-destruction/
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