whatfruitlivesagain wrote:They're not over here yet. There's mytaxi, Gett or Addison Lee as alternative apps, but I don't think they're gig economy companies. Edited by disusedgenius at 11:54:19 22-09-2017 |
Uber - good or bad?
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disusedgenius 10,677 posts
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Psychotext 70,652 posts
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Registered 15 years agoIf any of this is true, it's well deserved...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyball
According to the New York Times report, which was based on interviews of four current and former Uber employees and a review of internal Uber documents, Greyball used several methods to identify and deny service to government officials who were investigating Uber for violations of local laws. Those methods included:
It's the kind of behaviour you'd expect from the Mafia, not a fucking cab company.
Geofencing.
Uber would create a digital map that identified the locations of city government offices. If a potential rider attempted to hail a ride from the area around a government building, Greyball would flag the individual as a possible law enforcement agent.
Mining credit card databases.
If Uber identified a credit card as being associated with a government agency or police union, it would flag that individual in Greyball.
Identifying devices.
Since government agencies would often buy cheap cellphones for use in sting operations, Uber employees would visit electronics stores to obtain model numbers for inexpensive phones and input those model numbers into Greyball.
Searches of social media.
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Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoIt's all true but you don't have to go that techie to liken them to the maffia.
The fact that they are openly breaking the law in many countries to make a profit means they are organized crime.
Vile company that actually offers nothing new. They exploited an existing market by disregarding regulations. Sooner or later governments will wake up to the fact that the tech giants are extracting enormous amounts of money without paying their dues and stat taxing them. Like what the EU is doing to Google. -
disusedgenius wrote:
Fair but my point was a new app or operator will emerge to take its place and many of those 40,000 drivers will just switch.
whatfruitlivesagain wrote:
They're not over here yet. There's mytaxi, Gett or Addison Lee as alternative apps, but I don't think they're gig economy companies.
@RichDC Or they could all go work for Lyft?
Uber doesn't own the cars or the workforce.
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Registered 8 years agotaxi for uber! -
Load_2.0 33,582 posts
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Registered 18 years agoTonka wrote:
OK right. Good one.
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Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoRichDC wrote:
This is a straight up lie. It's all on Uber for not doing something as basic as following the law.
Uber do have a lot of shitty goings on, but this is hardly painting TFL in a great light either. Effectively telling 40,000 people they don't have a job next Friday. -
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Registered 12 years agoIf you were planning to buy a Prius. Maybe give it a few weeks.... -
disusedgenius 10,677 posts
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Registered 14 years agowhatfruitlivesagain wrote:
Sure, but they're not the same job markets. For anyone who was a student, single parent etc who gained from a flexible, gig-based lifestyle then there isn't really a place for them to go.
Fair but my point was a new app or operator will emerge to take its place and many of those 40,000 drivers will just switch.
Uber doesn't own the cars or the workforce.
That I know of, anyway, I might be wrong on that.
Edit: Since you mentioned the cars, iirc Uber offered loans to a lot of people to buy them, which could end up being 'interesting'.
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Registered 14 years agocowell wrote:
Haha
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disusedgenius wrote:
Calm down will you. Uber can appeal which I'm sure they will and are licensed to operate whilst the appeal takes place.
whatfruitlivesagain wrote:
Sure, but they're not the same job markets. For anyone who was a student, single parent etc who gained from a flexible, gig-based lifestyle then there isn't really a place for them to go.
Fair but my point was a new app or operator will emerge to take its place and many of those 40,000 drivers will just switch.
Uber doesn't own the cars or the workforce.
That I know of, anyway, I might be wrong on that.
This is willy waving by both sides. TFL will seek to impose conditions on Uber as part of offering a new licence. This is lawyers at dawn situation.
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disusedgenius 10,677 posts
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Registered 14 years agowhatfruitlivesagain wrote:
Piss off, cuntbag.
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disusedgenius wrote:
Do you suck your dad's dick with that mouth?
whatfruitlivesagain wrote:
Piss off, cuntbag.
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Registered 18 years agoYou-can-call-me-kal wrote:
Exactly. This is another reason why Uber (and zero hour contracts - but that's another discussion) suck because the 'employees' have no job security if it all goes tits up for whatever reason. Sure, arguably the employees know what they're letting themselves in for, but the increasing trend for these forms of employment is concerning.
RichDC wrote:
None of them are employed by Uber in the first place. That's just one of the many reasons this has happened.
Uber do have a lot of shitty goings on, but this is hardly painting TFL in a great light either. Effectively telling 40,000 people they don't have a job next Friday. -
disusedgenius 10,677 posts
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Registered 14 years agowhatfruitlivesagain wrote:
Do you suck your dad's dick with that mouth?
But no, in all seriousness, I don't see us getting a gig-based competitor any time soon. Lyft seems like it's been a bit more cautious than Uber to get into the aggressive international expansion. It's seems like it's just too much of a dirty business to get into. -
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Registered 13 years agoback to the safety of black cabs then...
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cowell 2,254 posts
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Registered 12 years agoNow if only black cab drivers could have figured out how to get their credit card machines working, we wouldn't have got to this point.... -
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Registered 18 years agoI don't know if there is an operator with the resource and infrastructure to step in, plus they would need to go through an entire licensing process.
the idea someone can scoop up (or TUPE) 25000+ employees and support all the IT requirements to run a similar service to UBER is a stretch. -
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Registered 18 years agoSpaceMonkey77 wrote:
Ehhhmmm....
- Uber/Lyft guys at the top should on a regular basis, ride with some of their drivers, so they can get a better picture of what they go through from day to day, U-Boss style. This might be one of the only ways of fixing much of their issues. Once Uber/Lyft begin to do this & see what their drivers have to actually live off, then change will happen. If anyone knows the Undercover Boss show peoples, they should give Uber/Lyft CEO's a chance on that show. Then you'd see something change, perhaps.
Travis knows about the hardships of his drivers. He doesn't give a fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTEDYCkNqns
SpaceMonkey77 wrote:
Ubers business is to sell the dream of an IPO to VCs. Not to make money from offering rides to people. Had it been the latter they'd be out of business years ago.
- More funds for drivers, so they don't have to sleep in their vehicles might help too.
SpaceMonkey77 wrote:
Is Uber really the only cab company with an app in the UK? Otherthan that they are just an unlicensed cab company with no insurances.
- The animosity with regular taxis isn't something Uber/Lyft can do anything about, for such is the tides of change in the world, & every so often such happens. It did so when trains replaced the stage coach & horse back riding, and when airlines superseded train travel, but diversifying their Uber/Lyft range is something that's due to happen. Some are looking into aerial taxis, which would be awesome & shake things up again, while avoiding roads altogether.
SpaceMonkey77 wrote:
- Uber/Lyft drives with female drivers upon request. This on is for the safety of the passenger, but up to them to do.
Adds un-necessary overhead which the VCs won't like.
SpaceMonkey77 wrote:
- Better checks on drivers & performance reviews. Not sure if such happens as never used them before.
Adds un-necessary overhead which the VCs won't like.
SpaceMonkey77 wrote:
- Possible share options for Uber/Lyft drivers. This would help them out too, than just relying on their driver pay. Drivers do well, then both companies do well too.
Again, Uber isn't in the business of making money from offering rides.
People have to stop thinking of Uber as a cab company. They exploit a market by not following regulations in order to build a monopoly and attract a lot of venture capital on the way.
Sure, ultimately they want self driving cars so that they don't have to deal with drivers at all and sure.. that is nice. I guess. But it also signals how much they care for the well being of people driving for them. It's the old telling people to dig their own grave before you shoot them spiel.
Any attempt at a likely improvement will have to meet the requirement of making Uber more attractive to VC. Drive the costs down and increase the number of rides. -
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Tonka 31,979 posts
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Registered 18 years agoRyanDS wrote:
Hold my beer: Top Uber executive obtained the medical records of a customer who was a rape victim
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Registered 12 years ago@SpaceMonkey77
A lot of problems with Uber, but half the bellyaching from black cab drivers is because they've refused to move with the times and technology (satnav, credit cards and smart phones) and are now looking very dated. -
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Registered 14 years agoSpaceMonkey77 wrote:
Sure, and in the end Lyft just partnered with local companies rather than compete. Uber tried to play hardball and got fucked over it.
@disusedgenius
Only in places like China have Uber/Lyft had any competition.
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The Chinese government has already outlined a plan to retire fossil fuel engines and move to electric vehicles.
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