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New Apple 'Games Console' to Compete with PS4, XB1 & Wii U?
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AceGrace 3,464 posts
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Not-a-reviewer 7,686 posts
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Registered 7 years agoThe share price is what it is because they make shit tonne of money and are sat on mountains of cash. -
munki83 1,853 posts
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Registered 15 years ago@PirateRoberts My prediction is that your prediction is wrong. -
what's the risk? they basically have made an apple TV SCU that can play their existing appstore games. it's not like they've spent billions in R&D making a selling-at-loss current gen console. they'll likely be selling it to consumers more for the TV stuff than the games stuff, which seems like an afterthought.
they've taken on the least amount of risk possible. -
Fake_Blood 11,093 posts
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Registered 12 years agoAceGrace wrote:
Not sure if aimed at me but https://youtu.be/z-hjVmLiVOo
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Jeepers 16,616 posts
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So many wrongs in your post but I will bet you a year's salary that your prediction never happens. -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoMainly because, y'know, it's not a fucking console. -
ozthegweat 2,977 posts
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Registered 10 years ago@PirateRoberts On what do you base your assessment that shares are overpriced? Looking at P/E ratio, one could argue the opposite. -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoHe's basing it on a long tradition of being wrong about absolutely everything. -
@nickthegun true but i don't think that is the main reason he is wrong, that falls to the fact 'its vizzini and therefore automatically incorrect' -
ozthegweat 2,977 posts
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Registered 10 years agoAt least he's good at something! -
@ozthegweat i doubt he knows what a p/e ration is -
Psiloc 6,368 posts
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Registered 14 years agoI don't see yearly upgrade cycles changing any time soon for mobile phones. How long has that been a thing now?
Anyway, noticed this on the story on the front page:
You'll be able to use the same Bluetooth guitar controller across iPhone, iPad and Apple TV, and Skylanders will also offer cross-device support for its Bluetooth portal hardware.
Not that it was ever in too much doubt, but this proves that third party gamepads will be a thing.
I'm aware I'm starting to sound obsessed with game pads by the way. -
Armoured_Bear 31,234 posts
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Registered 10 years agoozthegweat wrote:
Exactly, I'll be holding onto mine.
@PirateRoberts On what do you base your assessment that shares are overpriced? Looking at P/E ratio, one could argue the opposite. -
PirateRoberts wrote:
i literally have no idea what the yearly cycle for phones (which has apparently been working rather well for both apple and every other smart phone manufacturer, for at least a decade, and seemingly only seems to get more lucrative) has to do with apple tv SCUs. this nothing like the same scale as xbox. it's another SCU with the same innards as a whole bunch of their range, just like when the ipod touch came out (which they eventually canned), or whatever.
gravearchitecture wrote:
The risk is a change of company focus, and then consumers loosing interesting to buy their nth phone upgrade when they already don't use the marketed vision features on the phone, the tablet or the new console device.
what's the risk? they basically have made an apple TV SCU that can play their existing appstore games. it's not like they've spent billions in R&D making a selling-at-loss current gen console. they'll likely be selling it to consumers more for the TV stuff than the games stuff, which seems like an afterthought.
they've taken on the least amount of risk possible.
At what point does the wider an Android or iphone/ipad consumer decide they've had enough upgrades and don't really need the latest shiny? Smartphone/tablet market saturation will be happening soon, and then Apple either need to find a new gimmick or a new product to keep those zealots buying a device. The minute people stop buying Apple phones and tablets is the minute they become open to +£90 google/motorola devices that have a lower entry price and are far less restrictive. They then join the masses that don't need the new shiny as frequently, and the App store and iTunes become an irrelevance. So the risk is a flopped phone-esq console accelerating that situation, and a full on AAA console is just another business case study, like Xbox now is.
Microsoft would not have done xbox if they knew what they know now. It just sidelined them for a decade, lost them billions, all while Valve's Steam grew and meant they weren't taking smartphones and mobile Oses seriously while google and apple rose.
the new apple tv could flop and it wouldn't make any difference. the original apple tv might have flopped for all i know? only seen one in the wild. they've also had loads of products that have been complete disasters. -
AceGrace 3,464 posts
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Registered 11 years agoFake_Blood wrote:
He looks like he is about to keel over.
AceGrace wrote:
Not sure if aimed at me but https://youtu.be/z-hjVmLiVOo
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Not-a-reviewer 7,686 posts
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Registered 7 years agoPsiloc wrote:
20+ years in the mobile phone market.
I don't see yearly upgrade cycles changing any time soon for mobile phones. How long has that been a thing now?. -
Jeepers 16,616 posts
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Registered 16 years agoPirateRoberts wrote:
Well, yes. In that that's the definition of a 'peak'.
reviewer wrote:
We would ahve predicted the same for walkmans in music, but all major peaks are ultimately followed by a dip.
Psiloc wrote:
20+ years in the mobile phone market.
I don't see yearly upgrade cycles changing any time soon for mobile phones. How long has that been a thing now?.
You big dim-der. -
IronGiant 6,352 posts
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Registered 18 years agoPirateRoberts wrote:
I'd say you're talking crap.
I'd say a Philips CDi embarrassment for Apple in this multi-billion dollar crown jewel entertainment sector would change gamer perception of all their products, and that would impact all their marketing efforts from then on with the wider market too. -
Armoured_Bear 31,234 posts
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Registered 10 years agoIronGiant wrote:
Aye.
PirateRoberts wrote:
I'd say you're talking crap.
I'd say a Philips CDi embarrassment for Apple in this multi-billion dollar crown jewel entertainment sector would change gamer perception of all their products, and that would impact all their marketing efforts from then on with the wider market too.
It's a set top box first, casual gaming box a distant second. -
MMMarmite 1,659 posts
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Registered 15 years agoArmoured_Bear wrote:
This.
IronGiant wrote:
Aye.
PirateRoberts wrote:
I'd say you're talking crap.
I'd say a Philips CDi embarrassment for Apple in this multi-billion dollar crown jewel entertainment sector would change gamer perception of all their products, and that would impact all their marketing efforts from then on with the wider market too.
It's a set top box first, casual gaming box a distant second.
As for the thread's title, per the announcement yesterday the answer is no. Time to go Vizz. -
@PirateRoberts apple already have a failed console. the pippin. they have zero gaming respect from core gamers anyway. they've made an apple tv that can play appstore games. they hardly have ambitions to compete with sony/microsoft/nintendo (although i imagine appstore gaming revenue puts in the mix - it was something like $10 billion in 2014, and ~80% of that is games)
i just don't get what risk they have with any of this. it's an SCU. -
DFawkes 32,791 posts
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Registered 16 years agoIronGiant wrote:
As does the Pippin.
PirateRoberts wrote:
I'd say you're talking crap.
I'd say a Philips CDi embarrassment for Apple in this multi-billion dollar crown jewel entertainment sector would change gamer perception of all their products, and that would impact all their marketing efforts from then on with the wider market too. -
Humperfunk 8,634 posts
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Registered 9 years agoI was eyeing up getting one of these Apple TV gizmo things yesterday before someone said there was an Apple event where they were going to announce a new one so best wait.
So if the last one was £59 yesterday, it'll come down in price soon right? I mean I have no interest in this new one as it basically just looks like it's the same but crossed with a Wii, and I thought the Wii was a hump of shit before so no interest in spunking more on the same product with waggle. I mean even at £59 I'm still tempted to go for it. -
Not-a-reviewer 7,686 posts
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Registered 7 years agoPirateRoberts wrote:
Who would've predicted that for Walkmans? They weren't popular for that long nor part of a yearly upgrade cycle of note.
reviewer wrote:
We would ahve predicted the same for walkmans in music, but all major peaks are ultimately followed by a dip.
Psiloc wrote:
20+ years in the mobile phone market.
I don't see yearly upgrade cycles changing any time soon for mobile phones. How long has that been a thing now?. -
Not really much effort going into gaming on the ATV. I doubt Apple even wanted it in there but with all the media hype and speculation just decided to throw it in there.
See how it evolves over time.
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