Following Marvel Cinematic Universe Page 97

  • nickthegun 4 Apr 2021 15:48:13 86,026 posts
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    They never said he didn't have a butler, tho
  • Wayne 4 Apr 2021 16:03:31 3,156 posts
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    Yeah, but they established a character that you would never ever assume had a butler. Then put if nowhere he’s suddenly a millionaire and has his own jet and a butler. I mean, if that’s not retconning, I don’t know what is.

    I mean, if suddenly Tony Stark had a part time job as a clown at children’s parties, you wouldn’t respond with “Well, they never said he wasn’t a clown”.
  • nickthegun 4 Apr 2021 16:15:45 86,026 posts
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    As great as these arguments are, that would probably be a better point if Tony didn't have like six movies worth of character development as opposed to about 10 minutes of screen time and a dozen lines of dialogue.
  • Load_2.0 4 Apr 2021 16:59:10 32,920 posts
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    Sorry Nick but there's exactly ZERO superheros with vast wealth.

    The idea is frankly absurd.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 4 Apr 2021 17:21:21 17,132 posts
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    Isn’t he Baron Zemo?

    I kind of assume an aristocrat has means
  • JamboWayOh 4 Apr 2021 17:22:41 23,585 posts
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    Why isn't Derbs here, he'd let us know.
  • captbirdseye 4 Apr 2021 17:22:45 10,702 posts
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    Maybe he pay for Falcons boat maintenance.
  • Your-Mother 4 Apr 2021 17:27:09 7,277 posts
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    I do wonder if they’re going to go with “Evil White Eastern European is better off than Honest Hard Working Black American” route but that’s probably a little too on the nose even for Marvel.
  • Saul_Iscariot 4 Apr 2021 18:43:59 4,289 posts
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    The character is Baron Zemo in the comics. He has wealth and resources, so it isn’t really a surprise that he has these in the MCU as well.
  • neems 4 Apr 2021 18:44:59 5,293 posts
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    They could go with "I was the youngest son, so I joined the army... but then somebody dropped a city on my family. Suddenly I'm the Baron."
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 4 Apr 2021 19:11:33 17,132 posts
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    Considering an entire city gets destroyed like that its remarkable what a non-event Age of Ultron is in the grand scheme of things. If the entire plot was condensed into a flashback/prologue at the start of Civil War I wouldn’t have missed a thing. Its basically just the set up for Civil War anyway.
  • Not-a-reviewer 4 Apr 2021 22:06:52 7,268 posts
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    A bad guy having such resources is easily the most unrealistic thing about these films and TV shows.
  • Saul_Iscariot 5 Apr 2021 00:47:24 4,289 posts
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    @Not-a-reviewer In what way? Batman and Iron Man manage it as good guys. There is a documentary series on Disney investigating some historical characters and whether there is any truth in the stories about them. In one episode they investigate a rich and powerful business man that was accused of running a sideline with a group of bandits. Experts said it would be more common than people believe, and happens today. Organised crime gangs will often hold positions of status that makes it unthinkable that they would hold criminal interests.
  • Your-Mother 5 Apr 2021 01:09:33 7,277 posts
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    I’m pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
  • JamboWayOh 5 Apr 2021 01:21:07 23,585 posts
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    I just watched the first 3 episodes of Falcon today and I'm amazed the bit about the bank loan got so much discussion here. Fwiw I actually quite enjoyed what I watched I suppose having more than a basic knowledge of the comics has me intrigued about certain things, especially regarding the Power Broker and their connection to the new Captain America and I wonder if they're going to mix things up there or do a straight adaptation.
  • Saul_Iscariot 5 Apr 2021 01:22:18 4,289 posts
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    @Your-Mother Are you as well? I really cannot tell.
  • Not-a-reviewer 5 Apr 2021 09:29:44 7,268 posts
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    Given half the people in these things are billionaires and have people that can fly, can do magic, or are gods I did think the sarcasm would be obvious.

    Edited by Not-a-reviewer at 09:29:58 05-04-2021
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 5 Apr 2021 09:39:43 17,132 posts
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    Sarcasm isn’t a superpower Daria
  • Wayne 5 Apr 2021 09:45:54 3,156 posts
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    Not-a-reviewer was definitely being sarcastic, but also completely missed the point. No one was saying it’s unrealistic for a bad guy to be rich. The criticism was how they retconned the character. But it’s actually not that particularly interesting, it’s just lazy writing, so I think I’ll leave it at that.
  • JamboWayOh 5 Apr 2021 09:55:43 23,585 posts
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    Glad we got that sorted.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 5 Apr 2021 09:58:21 17,132 posts
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    JamboWayOh wrote:
    Glad we got that sorted.
    Yeah sooooo glad
  • Mola_Ram 5 Apr 2021 10:13:24 25,619 posts
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    We didn't even need Derbs to resolve it!
  • Load_2.0 5 Apr 2021 10:15:07 32,920 posts
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    We haven't worked out what happened to the shrimp boat yet.
  • Load_2.0 5 Apr 2021 10:15:24 32,920 posts
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    Is that boat cannon?
  • Mola_Ram 5 Apr 2021 10:17:29 25,619 posts
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    Also what is the deal with Falcon not being able to get a bank loan eh.
  • JamboWayOh 5 Apr 2021 10:25:18 23,585 posts
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    Load_2.0 wrote:
    Is that boat cannon?
    I believe the boat is central to the Falcon's character. It's quite obvious really and you're a fool for not getting that.
  • Darth_Flibble 5 Apr 2021 10:28:48 5,101 posts
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    Hoping the new Thor film is about bank loans
  • nickthegun 5 Apr 2021 10:35:46 86,026 posts
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    The second act revolves around Loki applying for a mortgage
  • JamboWayOh 5 Apr 2021 10:39:24 23,585 posts
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    Darth_Flibble wrote:
    Hoping the new Thor film is about bank loans
    I hope it's more about the buy to let market, tbh.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 5 Apr 2021 10:43:06 17,132 posts
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    Loki is so into bitcoin
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