Following Snooper's Charter - it's been passed Page 12

  • rockavitch 7 Dec 2016 13:23:20 1,303 posts
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    I held the door open for her a few years back not knowing who she was and I'm a polite fella. Didn't say thanks. So this snoopers thing is nothing compared to cuntery she's capable of.
  • Dirtbox 7 Dec 2016 14:11:16 92,595 posts
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  • Shivoa 7 Dec 2016 14:24:07 6,314 posts
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    Duffking wrote:
    Have we done the act essentially allowing the Government to lie in court?
    I mean, of course they have to lie in court. You can't let the "enemy" (see anyone the Gov may want to accuse in open court) know your tactical capabilities. So clearly you need to lie about how you knew something or why your "random" searches look a lot like ideological purges by the secret police.

    What poison tree? Suppression of political opponents by a paranoid state? Who said fascism?

    Edited by Shivoa at 14:26:59 07-12-2016
  • Psychotext 7 Dec 2016 14:44:43 70,652 posts
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    Nothing to fear, no-where to hide.
  • Shivoa 7 Dec 2016 14:47:43 6,314 posts
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    I do love the detail that it may be illegal to make a defence that the state is lying (aka telling the truth). Really gives this the full colour of a fascists dictatorship that has destroyed the courts and so the rule of law.

    Anyway, a reminder to any citizens that if you are ever in a jury for a criminal case you must acquit. The state no longer offers a credible position from which you can make a conviction. Any convictions after this date that do not include a defence that the evidence of the state is false is a failure of justice and the convicted is a political prisoner.
  • Psychotext 9 Dec 2016 21:11:12 70,652 posts
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    So... I mean we assume that we can trust the police with this information right? No?

    Hundreds of corrupt cops who used police databases to identify vulnerable people for "sexual gain" were caught only after the abuse of power was reported by alleged victims, a watchdog has warned.

    So yeah, we'll be fine with average wankers having access to data on us. No worries.
  • Dirtbox 10 Dec 2016 02:38:10 92,595 posts
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  • Shivoa 10 Dec 2016 02:58:05 6,314 posts
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  • Load_2.0 21 Dec 2016 11:27:41 33,582 posts
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    Some good news, at least temporarily.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/snoopers-charter-eu-court-ruling-illegal-investigatory-powers-act-emails-david-davis-a7488041.html
  • sport 21 Dec 2016 11:40:59 17,064 posts
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    Bloody EU again! Stopping us taking back control!
  • RichDC 21 Dec 2016 11:42:43 9,177 posts
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    SNOOPING means SNOOPING!
  • LittleSparra 21 Dec 2016 11:49:14 7,926 posts
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    We want the freedom to be unfree!
  • FWB 21 Dec 2016 11:54:05 56,369 posts
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    May will push it through if she is PM when we leave. Total cunt of a person.
  • RichDC 21 Dec 2016 11:59:33 9,177 posts
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    Doesn't help that David Davis who helped get it this far has decided he's no longer interested in privacy as May gave him a job.
  • DFawkes 21 Dec 2016 12:02:45 32,785 posts
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    No longer interested? But he's the one who took it to EU court to try and block it, so surely he is interested in privacy?
  • Deleted user 21 December 2016 12:14:44
    I want our snooping to be red white and blue
  • CosmicFuzz 21 Dec 2016 12:19:06 32,632 posts
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    There is an irony to David Davis going to the EU for help whilst also simultaneously planning how best to leave them.
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    "oh, hi Dave squared, you need our help? Sure, give me the details and I'll type it up on my invisible typewriter"
  • CosmicFuzz 21 Dec 2016 12:33:38 32,632 posts
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    Yeah exactly :D

    Also, I like Dave squared. Stupid name for a stupid man.
  • Not-a-reviewer 21 Dec 2016 12:50:44 7,686 posts
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    https://www.privacytools.io/
  • RichDC 21 Dec 2016 15:06:47 9,177 posts
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    DFawkes wrote:
    No longer interested? But he's the one who took it to EU court to try and block it, so surely he is interested in privacy?
    From the Guardian:

    Before becoming Brexit minister, Davis travelled to Luxembourg to hear the case. He argued that the British government was “treating the entire nation as suspects” by ignoring safeguards on retaining and accessing personal communications data.

    Davis, one of the most vociferous critics of the state’s powers to collect data on its citizens, withdrew from the case following his ministerial appointment.


    Ok, he may still be interested but just not enough to stand up against the government and do something about it any more.

    Edited by RichDC at 15:08:14 21-12-2016
  • DFawkes 21 Dec 2016 15:10:56 32,785 posts
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    Fair enough :) The article I read left that bit out, mostly likely because they're evil biased mainstream media (or some other such thing).
  • chopsen 21 Dec 2016 15:11:04 21,958 posts
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    Career before principles, obviously.

    May's a big fan of the new law, and she's now the PM who appointed him with a cabinet position.
  • MrTomFTW Moderator 21 Dec 2016 15:22:11 47,501 posts
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    Maybe she did that so Davis wouldn't pursue opposition to the bill any further.

    /tinfoil hat
  • Not-a-reviewer 21 Dec 2016 15:43:25 7,686 posts
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    It's a cross party opposition so him supporting it or not is too late at this stage.

    Also, fuck Teresa and her paranoid obsessions. I'm just glad she didn't get in with a stronger party majority.
  • PazJohnMitch 21 Dec 2016 15:44:24 17,276 posts
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    @MrT

    Have you been watching House of Cards?

    /I am pretty sure that TV show painted career politicians in such a bad light that it helped Trump get in. (And The Westwing probably helped Obama).

    Edited by PazJohnMitch at 15:44:49 21-12-2016
  • Deleted user 21 December 2016 15:55:50
    I started an Instagram last night, after a few bikini pics my snoop level will be over 9000
  • chopsen 21 Dec 2016 15:58:26 21,958 posts
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    MrTomFTW wrote:
    Maybe she did that so Davis wouldn't pursue opposition to the bill any further.

    /tinfoil hat
    tbh I think that barely requires any tinfoil at all and probably quite likely.
  • Technoishmatt 21 Dec 2016 18:45:43 5,365 posts
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    It's really not that complicated. David Davis dropping his participation in the case is fairly simple - if you are in the government you can't take personal action against it. Instead you would try to influence from the inside. He will still believe that position I am sure.

    I think the funnier aspect is that in his current day job as Brexit Minister he is trying to get out from under the rule of those pesky European courts - the ones that in this case were the only way he could get what he wanted.
  • askew 21 Dec 2016 18:49:51 24,121 posts
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    Don't we think that the role is a poisoned chalice and May is attempting to get retribution by placing him in it and hoping that he fails?
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